Thread: High Entropy (also known as "This is Shit")

The true artist finds one's own way through life. There is no path paved for each of us unless we bow down to authority and take it. A state of increased entropy is all but a guarantee of where humanity is going. We rely on fundamental physical law like anything else. When the conscious mind tries to change this natural process into something definable and concrete, shit hits the fan . When we come together and recognize this, and accept one another, we have a feeling of understanding and individual responsibility. Looking to others for answers causes the true chaos of the universe, no matter how hard the government will try pushing in the other direction.

gov't: "Look at the silly rabbit!!"

us: "Uh, that's not a rabbit, and why am I looking at it when the world is being destroyed out of ego and materialism?"


gov't: "..................YOU ARE A DETRIMENT TO SOCIETY!!!"



I have no idea if that had much of anything to do with what you were saying, I'm pretty dazed and tired, but that's just the feeling I got from reading it Quite interesting...

Originally posted by Awaken
A state of increased entropy is all but a guarantee of where humanity is going. We rely on fundamental physical law like anything else.

Actually, entropy only increases in a fixed system. In our biosphere, Earth, we receive energy via sunlight, which accounts for a decrease in entropy giving rise to evolution and technological improvements. However, the over-use of fossil fuels obviously changes this.

I would like to believe in Extropy, which the dictionary terms as this:

"Definition: the theory that cultural and technological development will expand indefinitely and in an orderly progressive manner throughout the universe, the tendency of systems to grow more organized; also written Extropy"

I don't really understand Thermodynamics but I think that there must be more to it than just structure dissolving into chaos. Otherwise, how would galaxies and solar systems, and planets and life have evolved?

Fascinating topic.

Hmm...I think I was thinking about it in a different way. I see humans moving towards higher entropy in the sense that we will become individuals, rather than the current futile attempt at conformity (politics, money, packaged products, etc). We *are* part of a fixed system, is what I'm saying. The creative mind needs higher entropy at this point - too much of an attempt is made at containing and controlling it, and we're at a stage right now where resolution must take place. The crumbling castle WILL crumble - and I think that's where society is headed. We will have higher disorder on the physical plane, and our minds will accept it because we realize that each person is part of a whole. It's kind of like the 'expansion' of the mind, from being in one's own little world to the realization of the greatness of the human consciousness as a whole. That's how I'm feeling anyways
I think it's kind of a cycle, like anything else. It moves back and forth...One day the sun will die out, or we will collide with another galaxy. Then entropy will once again be on the rise. Nothing lasts forever, but something can certainly be created, if only to be destroyed, whether it's good or bad...Fundamental physical law.

Hope that makes sense, I'm no physics major or anything

I agree with your post there. But I think its important to be careful when using the phrase "Fundamental Physical Law" because it only applies to the structure of matter, not consciousness or society. But as a metaphor for disorder it is perfectly true.

Good topic, OpheliaBlue, and an expressive start.

It seems like you're talking partly about art as a reaction to solitude--artists have such individualized worldviews that they must go to great creative lengths to even attempt communication. I don't know that I would try grouping artists together as having an "organic" outlook...I would say that most artists I've known don't seem to take the architectural facade for granted in the same way that more "normal" people do. A lot of people have this notion of a "them" out there somewhere, and "they" built these cities and created this gov't and made all the tv shows. By owning their own creativity, artists come to recognize that we are making these things on an ongoing basis, and they (artists) act to direct that creation toward reflecting more of the world as they see it. I think that's what's meant by "finding your voice" as an artist.

I guess I'm coming out on the side of Neil's Extropy--while I believe in diversifying our cultural idea-space, I don't think diversity must lead to disorder.

Males are artists because it helps them get laid, that's probably why I'm an artist...

Originally posted by Death-Wuad
Males are artists because it helps them get laid, that's probably why I'm an artist...

Taosaur: Wow, I'm glad you got what I was saying. "...and they (artists) act to direct that creation toward reflecting more of the world as they see it. I think that's what's meant by "finding your voice" as an artist." That's really cool, I never really thought about it like that before. Damn, I like that!!

Thanks OpheliaBlue.

I'm supposedly an artist myself--I have a degree in Creative Writing, but haven't written much since college. Sometimes communication seems impossible, looking out at all the poeple who have chosen to group up and conform. Even when I write something that speaks to people, it rarely says what I expected . It's easy to feel isolated and a little hopeless (or superior and distant, which is more or less the same thing). Still, who's going to make room in the world for something like me if I don't do it myself? I think "voice" is also about finding what's human in you, what does connect you to others, and making that a window onto the rest of what you are.

I just realized after re-reading my post, and then reading the replies, that I severly oversimplified things. I was really just momentarily inspired by something I was watching on TV: THE HOURS, with Nicole Kidman as Virginia Wolfe. I had just momentarily identified with her character, the suffering artist, misunderstood, struggling with her sexuality, her identity as a writer, as a woman....

I guess I just lumped it all up into "artists", but I was really just talking about me. HAH, some great big fat fucking universal thought. A "beacon to the rest"...........thppppppppppppt, more like a beacon for caca poopoo.

sorry...................