Thread: Everything in the universe is the same age

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Is it? People get pretty worked up over when and how certain things began.

Only if someone contradicts an irrational belief that they have.

I believe I can disprove what you think if your only talking about the age of tangible things.

the photons you are seeing from the computer screen right now are not the same age as the the photons coming from the sun. The photon created by the computer have just been created while the photons from the sun can be millions of years old.

And for relativity too, depending on how your defining age, causes things to age at different rates. if two people were born at the same time and one traveled at the speed of light for 5 years, the child that was stationary to the moving child would be 5 years older.

Originally Posted by Sugarglider11

I believe I can disprove what you think if your only talking about the age of tangible things.

the photons you are seeing from the computer screen right now are not the same age as the the photons coming from the sun. The photon created by the computer have just been created while the photons from the sun can be millions of years old.

And for relativity too, depending on how your defining age, causes things to age at different rates. if two people were born at the same time and one traveled at the speed of light for 5 years, the child that was stationary to the moving child would be 5 years older.

Just a quick note; the photons coming from the sun are approximately 8 minutes old.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Just a quick note; the photons coming from the sun are approximately 8 minutes old.

Wrong. It takes the photons 8 minutes to get to the earth from the surface of the sun, but they formed millions of years ago in the core of the sun.

But the photons did not exist and exist the same amount of time as the other photons did and did not.

That's what I said.

Originally Posted by Sugarglider11

Wrong. It takes the photons 8 minutes to get to the earth from the surface of the sun, but they formed millions of years ago in the core of the sun.

Nah. The photons are emitted by hydrogen atoms as they fuse together and become helium atoms. A photon exists between emission and absorbtion, not before or after.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

But the photons did not exist and exist the same amount of time as the other photons did and did not.

That's what I said.

I don't follow your logic. If you are claiming that all matter and energy is made up of the same basic material which cannot be created or destroyed and therefore has existed for as long as the universe, then you might have something; but I don't think thats what you mean. When energy or matter changes form, it is said that it becomes a new 'thing' and begins its life at that point. The life span of every 'thing' is of varying lengths and exists at different periods in time and so I don't see why you would decide this means that everything is the same age. Unless you are claiming that I have existed since beginingless time, since all of the irreducible theoretical particles that I am composed of have, then I guess you are right. Otherwise you're wrong.

I am speaking in the idea of the object-- not the actual object.

That has to do with the law of conservation of energy which is not what I was talking about because that's commonsensical.... Right?

Just recently they've conceived a theory that the faster you travel the faster time passes as well as age.

As one example they timed the space shuttle off into space as well as another click here on earth. Both atomically accurate at the same start time, the clock on the space shuttle progressively went faster the farther and faster it traveled from the take off point.

As you walk from room A to room B, you become X times older than the objects in room A and room B.

Originally Posted by L815

Just recently they've conceived a theory that the faster you travel the faster time passes as well as age.

As one example they timed the space shuttle off into space as well as another click here on earth. Both atomically accurate at the same start time, the clock on the space shuttle progressively went faster the farther and faster it traveled from the take off point.

As you walk from room A to room B, you become X times older than the objects in room A and room B.

Actually, relative time slows down with acceleration, it doesn't speed up.

That's an illusion. The faster you travel the more area you cover adding up the amount of time for each amount of space you pass by. Since time is dependent on the speed of light, the faster it goes , the faster time is.

Take a incredibly fast flashing led strap it onto an object. Stationary it's difficult to determine how the light is moving because it's flashing so fast. Once you take that same object throw it off a tall object into free fall, you can now see how the led is flashing.
This illusion is what makes time seem to travel slower in your mind, but in actuality it's not.

Time doesn't exist.

The illusion you desribe is not true.

More speed between two objects slows down perception of time from one to the other.

Of course time exists. It's the amount that it takes light to reach point A to point B...
Time as we see in clocks is relative to man ideology of organization, but it's based on actual time.

No, time does not exist.

It is measurement of when to there from now.

An illusion.

You contradicted yourself ...

Where?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No, time does not exist.

It is measurement of when to there from now.

An illusion.

Time doesn't exist, but then it does as a measurement?

I'm afraid I don't see what you're getting at... something doesn't age when it doesn't exist...

It isn't real.

It is an illusion. That illusion is created by memeory. Time isn't real. Humans use the illusion to measure from memory to memory and possible outcomes.

See how much more I had to write?

Sorry but it still doesn't make sense. Anyhow, I don't want to argue further. Believe what you want, and so will I

How does that not make sense?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

It isn't real.

It is an illusion. That illusion is created by memeory. Time isn't real. Humans use the illusion to measure from memory to memory and possible outcomes.

See how much more I had to write?

I think you're right in that it's an illusion, but I don't think it's created by memory. It's created by imformation intake, and time is directly relative to information intake. The more information, the slower time. In my humble opinion, of course.

No, memory.

Time only exists if you can sense change and the only way to do that is have data to compare which is stored in your memory.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No, memory.

Time only exists if you can sense change and the only way to do that is have data to compare which is stored in your memory.

Whatevvvs

Debates about objects aside, basically relativity refutes the whole thing anyway, as arby said.

If something accelerates away from you and back again, simply put, it will have experienced less time. There's no iffyness to it; it not existed for as long. If for example it were a lump of uranium 235, less of it would have decomposed.

And regarding objects, well yeah, although the matter has existed for ever, the actual object clearly hasn't, although in a sense objects are only interpretations of clumps of matter. In my opinion it doesn't make them invalid though.