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      Do we have a general definition for "alive" we are adhering to here?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omega Weapon View Post
      Do we have a general definition for "alive" we are adhering to here?
      With the emergence of Mad Cow disease, the only thing that defines something as alive is that is can reproduce.

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      Whenever it is concious is when it would be close to "alive". Once computers are aware of their own existence, we are doomed. What if they don't like us?

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      I wasn't aware that bacteria was conscious.

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      I dont understand the definition of "alive" we are using here.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      With the emergence of Mad Cow disease, the only thing that defines something as alive is that is can reproduce.
      In that case of course computers are alive. I'm quite sure we can create self replicating programs. So are they really alive?

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      Anything that can store, retrieve, and use information is alive.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Anything that can store, retrieve, and use information is alive.
      Sounds like a computer to me. Using this assumption, our computers are alive .

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Anything that can store, retrieve, and use information is alive.
      Such as my hard drive.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exhalent View Post
      Sounds like a computer to me. Using this assumption, our computers are alive .
      Yes.

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      Such as my hard drive.
      No. Your hard drive cannot retrieve or utilize information, merely store.

      But your computing device as a whole is alive.

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      http://www.dansdata.com/magic.htm

      I hope this can help.

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      Interesting, but has nothing to do with what I said.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      No. Your hard drive cannot retrieve or utilize information, merely store.
      Actually, it can. It retrieves data every time it is requested to do so, and passes that data back on the cable that comes out of it. It also utilizes data, otherwise it wouldn't know how to interpret the requests.

      Looks like you're going to have to revise your definition again.
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      No it doesn't, it stores it, the rest of the computer retrieves from it and utilizes it.

      You need two halves to make a whole.

      And even if your hard drive could do that, then it meets my requirements and is alive.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      And even if your hard drive could do that, then it meets my requirements and is alive.
      Which is what I said.
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      What?

      You insit that a hard drive is alive on its own.

      It isn't. It is apart of a larger system-- your computer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      What?

      You insit that a hard drive is alive on its own.
      No, I don't. I am merely demonstrating where your logic leads. If you couldn't tell, I don't agree with your definition in the slightest.
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      Quote Originally Posted by skysaw View Post
      I don't agree with your definition in the slightest.
      I second that statement.

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      Quote Originally Posted by skysaw View Post
      No, I don't. I am merely demonstrating where your logic leads. If you couldn't tell, I don't agree with your definition in the slightest.
      And it leads to... The definition of life? I don't follow

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      I second that statement.
      Explain yourself. And do a better job that Skysaw.

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      Quote Originally Posted by skysaw View Post
      I am merely demonstrating where your logic leads.
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      And it leads to... The definition of life? I don't follow
      I'll make it as plain as I can.

      You defined life as anything that exchanges and uses information. Where that logic leads is: my hard drive is alive, which surprised you for some reason.

      If anyone else in this thread had trouble with that, please raise your hand.
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      When they can:
      * Talk.
      * Respond with showing emotions.
      * Understand and being able to question why things are like this or like that.
      * When they can beat us at Chess, Tic Tac Toe (j/k)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Holiace View Post
      When they can:
      * Talk.
      * Respond with showing emotions.
      * Understand and being able to question why things are like this or like that.
      * When they can beat us at Chess, Tic Tac Toe (j/k)
      Hmm... SmarterChild (AIM bot) is alive! It can talk to me, show emoticons, ask me things such as what they mean, etc. I suppose if someone put a chess feature into smarterchild it would be alive, then!

      PS: According to you a snake is not alive. Well... it can't talk can it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by skysaw View Post
      I'll make it as plain as I can.

      You defined life as anything that exchanges and uses information. Where that logic leads is: my hard drive is alive, which surprised you for some reason.

      If anyone else in this thread had trouble with that, please raise your hand.
      No, that is not my list of conditions.

      Anything that is alive can:

      - Store information
      - Retrieve that information
      - and Use that information

      A hard Drive can only Store information, and can be retirieved FROM.

      It itself cannot retrieve that information and use it because the hard drive is the computer's storage method.

      Get it right.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wasup View Post
      Hmm... SmarterChild (AIM bot) is alive! It can talk to me, show emoticons, ask me things such as what they mean, etc. I suppose if someone put a chess feature into smarterchild it would be alive, then!

      PS: According to you a snake is not alive. Well... it can't talk can it?
      I forgot the main thing: It must be able to learn on it's own. Self learning. and non dependent on humans to survive.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Holiace View Post
      I forgot the main thing: It must be able to learn on it's own. Self learning. and non dependent on humans to survive.
      Artificial intelligence is still intelligence. i.e. SmarterChild can learn and is alive. Computers in general can learn. Also, are you saying my pet dog, which depends on me, is not alive? If I leave it alone in the house it will die. Furthermore, computers (smarterchild) can live on its own. Give it a non-human dependent power source (wind/solar) and leave it be.

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