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      Stepping out of the Pool: Human Thinking

      I think movies and plays are a complete waste of time. There is no point to them whatsoever but expending energy and time to something that will not further humanity in the end. That same money could be put into cancer research and space program funding, as well as healthcare and enviromental awareness. I firmly believe that the people who produce this kind of entertainment are wasting their time and ours in the end.




      Stop right there.

      You have already formulated that you dissent to this idea, but you don't know how. As you begin to type your post, you start trying to think of reasons to back your dissent. This is what ends up spilling out:

      I don't think that movies are a waste of time at all. Humans need entertainment in their lives, and it helps keep our emotions under control. We are members of an emotional race that needs outlets, and without entertainment we are essentially just robots.

      Essentially the post would be something like that.

      Stop right there.

      You might dissent to that sentence. You may think that you would agree with the original poster now, because that statement just challenged you to take a stand.

      What just happened there was this:

      a.You dissented to the original post.

      b.When I said that your response would be along these lines, your position shifted.

      You are now on the defensive, and may now say:

      I think everyone has their own opinions and beliefs, and if you like movies you go to them, if you don't you don't. Everyone has their different tastes.


      Stop right there.


      This is a typical post that would probably appear 4 or 5 posts down from the OP. The poster will have scanned the negative and positive responses, and decided to try and stick out by acting as a mediator.

      Stop right there.




      By now, your responses to my full post, Stepping out of the Pool: Human Thinking is either:



      a. You're over-analyzing

      b. Interesting idea, but...

      c. That made no sense

      d. That was genius





      The purpose of this post was to get you thinking outside the box. I think forums are very interesting to analyze, because people really want to get an opinion out, maybe even one they don't completely agree with. This may step on some toes, but I believe many people take "quick stands."

      A quick stand is an opinion formulated on no other basis than trying to sound smart. Think about the time it takes you to think up your conclusion. Do you sit down and think about it? No, you make it up as you read the OP and skim over the replies, then post something that would be formulated over a period of 8 or so seconds. When another poster puts you on the defensive, you resort to tooth and nail to win that fight. Now, it's about sounding more mature than the other person. People don't flame "screw you!" back, they take time in formulating blocks of text while checking back on the post to find those little innacuracies that you can use agains him. Eventually people try to jump off the boat while they are ahead, saying "I'm done with this" even though they check back to see the aftermath. You know you do.



      a. You're over-analyzing

      b. Interesting idea, but...

      c. That made no sense

      d. That was genius


      Pick one.
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      Probably (c). This is either wayy too smart for me or way too stupid.

      What's the topic of this thread?

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      To show knee-jerk reactions to arguments - some of which are against your actual own thoughts and opinions, but are made as a response, as opposed to logic or reason.

      I think it was pretty accurate, for many cases.

      I wouldn't say genius, though, because I've known this for a while....unless you wanna call me genius...in which case...I won't argue.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Vance View Post
      I think movies and plays are a complete waste of time. There is no point to them whatsoever but expending energy and time to something that will not further humanity in the end. That same money could be put into cancer research and space program funding, as well as healthcare and enviromental awareness. I firmly believe that the people who produce this kind of entertainment are wasting their time and ours in the end.




      Stop right there.

      You have already formulated that you dissent to this idea, but you don't know how. As you begin to ..........[the rest]
      Or..... People aren't dumb enough that it takes them a round table of 5 people and analytical data to sound out their reason of agreeing, opposing, or just saying something. Why must you limit people? What you have just described my friend is The Art of Flame War- an excerpt
      Last edited by malac; 05-04-2008 at 03:41 AM.
      I stomp on your ideas.

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      Quote Originally Posted by malac View Post
      Or..... People aren't dumb enough that it takes them a round table of 5 people and analytical data to sound out their reason of agreeing, opposing, or just saying something. Why must you limit people? What you have just described my friend is The Art of Flame War- an excerpt
      If you included the rest of the article you would have found out that what you just said I was saying was another example.
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      I think its an interesting idea which you are MAJORLY over analysing, but the concept is correct ( genius may be a lil too strong)
      But overall kudos to u


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      Quote Originally Posted by marlie View Post
      I think its an interesting idea which you are MAJORLY over analysing, but the concept is correct ( genius may be a lil too strong)
      But overall kudos to u
      Yes, I agree. Reminds me of a detective movie where at the end, the P.I. explains to the criminal what he did, why he did it, and what his next plans were *The crook is shocked because the P.I. read his nature of actions based on logic and using his perspective*
      I stomp on your ideas.

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      I'm going to go with option B.

      One thing to consider is that these sorts of philosophical discussions would be pretty dry if everybody just chipped in, "Yep, sounds good. +1." Playing devil's advocate can be a useful way to stimulate discussion so that ultimately everybody involved gets more out of it. I think it's a bit cynical to assume that everybody is just taking "quick stands" as you describe them and is only interested in "beating" the other posters.

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      Some of the best science comes from science fiction. Movies are a way to share ideas to a large audience.

      People who use the phrase, "think outside the box" are not capable of thinking for themselves at all, regardless of any boxes in question. It is a corporate meme that has rubbed off on you; probably from watching a movie.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Some of the best science comes from science fiction. Movies are a way to share ideas to a large audience.

      People who use the phrase, "think outside the box" are not capable of thinking for themselves at all, regardless of any boxes in question. It is a corporate meme that has rubbed off on you; probably from watching a movie.
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      Yeah I agree. I realized TV and Movies are a waste of time. But I don't think this knowledge makes me a genius

      I don't agree they are completely useless tho, there are movies out there who serve an educational purpose, or who teach you about human social interaction. You can always learn something from a movie, but yeah usually, they are a waste of time.

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      Analysing is division.

      Division leads to conflict.

      This post took me under eight seconds to type, almost no thought was required.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      "You have already formulated that you dissent to this idea, but you don't know how. As you begin to type your post, you start trying to think of reasons to back your dissent. This is what ends up spilling out:"

      don't you think you're assuming too much and putting yourself on a that very same 'smarter' level than others on this board?

      people do think and have reasons before they post

      there are people who post out of their arse, but not everyone. if this wasn't a discussion for discussions sake, you would find very different reasons why people feel the way they do about the necessity for the theatrical, or not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      Sauce?
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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      "You have already formulated that you dissent to this idea, but you don't know how. As you begin to type your post, you start trying to think of reasons to back your dissent. This is what ends up spilling out:"

      don't you think you're assuming too much and putting yourself on a that very same 'smarter' level than others on this board?
      Once again taking it out of context. After that I clearly stated that that assumption was assuming too much and a said that it would make you uncomfortable. Please read the post again.
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      B) Interesting but it's pretty much obvious.

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      e. tldr


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      Quote Originally Posted by Vance View Post
      Once again taking it out of context. After that I clearly stated that that assumption was assuming too much and a said that it would make you uncomfortable. Please read the post again.
      im confused

      I dont see anywhere where you admit it would be assuming too much? im still only reading it would put the reader on the defensive. maybe you should make that more clear

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      Quote Originally Posted by SolSkye View Post
      e. tldr
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      e) I've thought of that before.

      I don't like taking part in debates, because it's the same thing every time. Especially with extroverted people. I follow that exact pattern, realizing it's going to result the exact same way each time. Religious debates in particular.

      I do have to say, your post is genius. I've been trying to figure out an effective way of displaying this idea.
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      D)

      mainly only because I've partly thought about it. its interesting though, I'll admit sometimes I dont stand my ground when someone voices there opinion. this will change.
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      Its only those that compartmentalize their own thoughts and are incapable of thinking outside of specific perameters that believe others do the same, and will have well defined and easily predictable responses to vague stimuli.

      If you think every person will have one of 4 responses, all it shows is that you are only capable of imagining 4 possible outcomes for any given situation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Its only those that compartmentalize their own thoughts and are incapable of thinking outside of specific perameters that believe others do the same, and will have well defined and easily predictable responses to vague stimuli.

      If you think every person will have one of 4 responses, all it shows is that you are only capable of imagining 4 possible outcomes for any given situation.


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      Your lack of funny material is disturbing.
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