Originally Posted by
NonDualistic
It is a shame that communication lacks so, that I cannot get the point across. How you are seeing and how I am seeing the subject of this whole topic is so very close in my view, yet in yours such the same comparrison seems, by your comments, miles apart.
The simple problem is that you are seeing the collective aspect as consciousness, while I see it as awareness. The rest of your take on the collective and the aspects thereof, I do generally agree with however. Its just this one point of contention. The only difference in those spects is that the mechanics of the process work a little differently with awareness being the source of the collective.
I cannot "hand you external proof" to the subtle yet simple premises I hold to, or see. Those premises are describe in book such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Tao, numerous books and teachings relating to Dzogchen, Advaita, Sufism, Gnosticism, the Kaballah, and so on and so forth.
Awareness as so described has to be experienced on your own consciousness to be able to grasp or taste it. I cannot do it for you.
There are great reasons for speaking in metaphor and esoteric ways. That reasoning is that arguing tends to push individuals away from looking into themselves for the answers. Of those who read such, the ones who are ready find meaning, those who are not find nonsense and jibberish.
I can take being laughed at and ridiculed, because I am there laughing with you. Just as I can take the wide eyed interest from those who see what is being described as I am there sharing their interest with them also. It is profound.
Dont be too quick to knock me off my perch, as where you are perched and where I am perched are right there close together. Close enough that you will be knocking yourself over as well. Though at this point you dont seem to be able to see that.