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      How do I objectify women?

      I'm always kinda enraged when people talk about "objectification". That shit doesn't make any sense. How would that even work? The reason women are sexually attractive is that they are female humans, hence subjects. It's not like I need to kill them first in order to find them attractive. It's not like the appearance of a subject is not part of that subject. It's not like a rubber sex toy is actually more attractive than a woman. You can't objectify women. Assholes.
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      Wait what? All that means is viewing a woman as nothing but a sexual thing.

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      How does that make her a thing?
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      It doesn't physically make her into anything, it's just how she seems in some guy's mind.

      This is a big issue.. and it exists..

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      So basically guys being sexually attracted to women is a big issue?
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      No, guys that are sexually attracted to woman, and only view them as sexual things, only for that purpouse.

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      Quote Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx View Post
      No, guys that are sexually attracted to woman, and only view them as sexual things, only for that purpose.
      Okay, so...? If it weren't for that, humanity would soon cease to exist.
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      So women are people too. That's like saying a dog is a dog, so it can only be a pet. That isn't true. Women are not just things for sexual activites. They are just the second part of the race that is neccesary to make a new one. We are one of those parts too.

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      I still don't see how the term objectification applies. The difference between a subject and an object is quite apparent to me.
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      It's means making women look like a sexual object.

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      Quote Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx View Post
      It's means making women look like a sexual object.
      You mean like a dildo?
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      No. Everything in the world isn't just literal. Think outside the box.

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      Quote Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx View Post
      No. Everything in the world isn't just literal. Think outside the box.
      You tell me.
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      It doesn't mean a literal object, but it makes them look like they have no other purpose.

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      Quote Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx View Post
      It doesn't mean a literal object, but it makes them look like they have no other purpose.
      I don't think a single person exists who thinks women have no other purpose.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      I don't think a single person exists who thinks women have no other purpose.
      I agree
      there's also the cooking & ironing

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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      I don't think a single person exists who thinks women have no other purpose.
      Some people do.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      I agree
      there's also the cooking & ironing
      Nicely done.

      Korittke, I'm pretty sure you're just being dense for the sake of seeming dense, but it's not all that hard to understand.

      Objectifying women is seeing them and/or treating them as nothing but objects. Whether it's to cook/clean/pleasure sexually or whatever. It is the opposite of treating them like dynamic human beings/individuals. I don't know if you were joking when you said "I don't think a single person exists who thinks women have no other purpose", implying that there aren't "other purposes" people can perceive woman as having that don't objectify them, or that you're just being belligerent. In either case, objectification basically means the reducing of someone to an object for nothing more than a specific purpose (or purposes). There are A LOT of guys who look at girls in just that way, just like there are many girls who look at guys as nothing but meal-tickets that fall all over them and give them everything that want.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      Nicely done.

      Korittke, I'm pretty sure you're just being dense for the sake of seeming dense, but it's not all that hard to understand.

      Objectifying women is seeing them and/or treating them as nothing but objects. Whether it's to cook/clean/pleasure sexually or whatever. It is the opposite of treating them like dynamic human beings/individuals. I don't know if you were joking when you said "I don't think a single person exists who thinks women have no other purpose", implying that there aren't "other purposes" people can perceive woman as having that don't objectify them, or that you're just being belligerent. In either case, objectification basically means the reducing of someone to an object for nothing more than a specific purpose (or purposes). There are A LOT of guys who look at girls in just that way, just like there are many girls who look at guys as nothing but meal-tickets that fall all over them and give them everything that want.

      What's not to understand?
      I interact with people for specific purposes all the time. If people didn't have purposes there would be no reason to interact with them. Also, these purposes are usually specifically restricted to humans. So, by interacting with people for these purposes I'm actually making them more human, not less.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      I interact with people for specific purposes all the time. If people didn't have purposes there would be no reason to interact with them. Also, these purposes are usually specifically restricted to humans. So, by interacting with people for these purposes I'm actually making them more human, not less.
      *sigh*
      Ok. I'm pretty sure I was very clear, the last time, but since you seemed (though I may be wrong) to look for a technicality to capitalize on, let me try again.

      Those people that you interact with for a specific purpose...is that all you interact with them for? Do you use them as tools? Do you interact with them because they are people that you simply like to socialize with, and converse with, and have dynamic encounters with, or do you talk to Johnny because he's got a lot of money, and he's willing to give you some in exchange for your company? Do you talk to Susie simply because she's got a nice rack and she gives you something to look at, to pass the time? If the answer to the latter question is "yes," the the next logical question would be "do you interact with all women with the same mind-frame with which you interact with Susie?"

      If so, then women, to you, are basically not worth talking to unless they give you something nice to look at. You are effectively stating that that reason is why you talk to them (them meaning "all of them"). THAT is objectification.

      Talking to John because you want to hear about his day, or you want to discuss politics with him to get his perspective, or to talk about the Incredible Hulk movie is not "objectifying men." It is talking to Johnny about a movie.

      Saying things such as (to quote Snoop Dogg) "bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks," is objectifying women - stating that their primary purpose is to serve sexually.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      , just like there are many girls who look at guys as nothing but meal-tickets that fall all over them and give them everything that want.
      Yeah, yeah, yeah.. but those kind have also been known to grow fangs and turn around and bite their man in the ass

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      Quote Originally Posted by NonDualistic View Post
      Yeah, yeah, yeah.. but those kind have also been known to grow fangs and turn around and bite their man in the ass
      Yup. In fact, that seems to be the expectable M.O. for that type of woman.
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      So if I'm asking a person on the street where the next bus stop is, does that mean I have just objectified that person to a mere provider of information, easily substituted by an electronic mapping device?
      What about Wal-Mart employees, call-center agents, prostitutes, police officers?

      The way you describe it, objectification still seems to be a term that is quite lacking in regards to actually describing what's going on. The culprit seems to be a mixture of lying and exploitation, not objectification.

      Also, if I am fulfilling my socializing needs by talking to a person, am I not objectifying that person to a mere partner of communication, not fully embracing the whole of his personality? Is this not exploitation?

      Proceed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Korittke View Post
      So if I'm asking a person on the street where the next bus stop is, does that mean I have just objectified that person to a mere provider of information, easily substituted by an electronic mapping device?
      What about Wal-Mart employees, call-center agents, prostitutes, police officers?

      The way you describe it, objectification still seems to be a term that is quite lacking in regards to actually describing what's going on. The culprit seems to be a mixture of lying and exploitation, not objectification.

      Also, if I am fulfilling my socializing needs by talking to a person, am I not objectifying that person to a mere partner of communication, not fully embracing the whole of his personality? Is this not exploitation?

      Proceed.
      If you are asking a person on the street, unless you are mentally afflicted, you are not assuming that "giving information" is the extent of that person's worth. You are not assuming that that person's most important reason for being is to provide you (or "your kind") with a service. You are simply asking that person for information - just the same as you would ask anybody in that person's place for information, if you needed it. That is not objectification. That is working toward a goal that makes no assumptions about that person's cosmic "purpose."

      Wal-Mart employees sign-on to do a job. It is their job to provide you with information. In that case, yes. You could say that going to a Wal-Mart employee for information is, technically, objectifying them, but it is an objectification that is in the job description. They are there to provide a service, and your objectification of them is in no way unjustified.

      Lying has nothing to do with it (unless it's a part of a person's "game" which doesn't, necessarily, have to come into this conversation). A person can say, flat out, that "women are just put here to walk in man's shadow. They are supposed to cook for, clean for, and service the man. Why should I respect these whores? They are here for nothing but to do for me." That would be extreme objectification, yet there is no lying involved, if the person actually believed all of that, which many men do.

      If you talk to a person, it can be just exploiting that person as "someone to talk to," yes. That all depends on you. If you are just "using that person as someone to talk to," purposefully, not really having any integral interest with the conversation (over the fact that "hey, joe blow is talking to me!!"), then, yes, you are objectifying that person. You are using them as nothing but a tool. Not an ambiguous tool, where interaction with them might help fulfill some (maybe subconscious?) purpose, but as a specific means to an end.
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      Hey, that actually makes sense. I think this might be the first time in history that an opinion has actually been changed over the internet.

      But I don't really see what's wrong with a guy going out to bang chicks, so long as he doesn't lie to them or treat them in ways that the woman would object to. I might not agree with his views on women but I disagree with a lot of things anyway, so in the end that's more a matter of discussing personal differences than it is a matter of moral or political relevance. Hey, some women probably even like that, so why should I smash the judgehammer on those people?

      It seems they're just acknowledging a very narrow scope of possible purposes for women, so narrow in fact that it is detrimental to their own enjoyment of them. Still, the same might apply to me as well, in a lot of areas, so I don't really see the big "issue". That scope of purposes is probably closely tied to our own personality and needs so it's only natural that we would approach people based on that scope of purposes.
      In the end, if I'm not objectifying women as sources of sexual pleasure, I'm objectifying them as sources of sexual pleasure, plus sources of love plus sources of information, plus sources of children, plus targets of pleasure-giving plus plus plus so I don't really see the big difference, save for the the raw amount of possible purposes. It's exactly for these reasons that encompass the whole of womanity that I'm attracted to women, not some weird non-reason or non-purpose.

      Some guys seem to forget all about the sexual aspect and leaving that out of the equation, how is that not leaving out relevant aspects of human interaction? Yet, nobody talks about how these guys objectify women as non-sexual objects with mere non-sexual purposes.
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