No. Animals evolved to be unconscious for some amount of time during sleep. This serves a purpose. If you were conscious all the time, you'd go insane. |
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Consciousness (in this thread) is defined as an alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation. |
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No. Animals evolved to be unconscious for some amount of time during sleep. This serves a purpose. If you were conscious all the time, you'd go insane. |
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Well there's still deep sleep. And I think if anything, I'd be more sane if I had more awareness of my life. |
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Actually, the philosopher Descartes would argue that we are actually always conscious and thinking, it's just that we don't remember being so when we are asleep. Of course, modern science has pretty much proven this theory false. This begs the question that if "I think therefore I am" is true, do we cease to exist when we are in a dreamless sleep? |
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Interesting question really... |
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Yes but you have to train your mind. If your mind is quiet, untaunted by unconscious activity, then you can. It doesn't mean "awake" just conscious, you still need sleep but your awareness or consciousness doesn't have to dissipate. Meditating before bed allows you to remember your dreams more vividly the next day. meditating every day, and eventually you'll naturally have 8 hour long WILDs. You'll still need sleep, but you won't need dreams that are out of your control because you won't have a mind that's out of your control. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
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Yeah, properly stated it is, 'because I am thinking, I can deduce with total certainty that I exist'. |
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But we don't exist when in dreamless sleep nonetheless. |
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Our bodies do. Our consciousness... probably not. |
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Yeah I think it's possible to be constantly (self-)conscious, but not easy at all. That's the final purpose of dream yoga and yoga nidra.. anyway, I'm practicing it, it's very similar to meditation 24/7 |
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"Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina
Our consciousness most certainly exists in dreamless sleep, we just forget what happened. Techinically, there is no dreamless sleep. Close your eyes, and you're still bombarded by sensations created from your mind alone. There's not a point where you lose consciousness and fall asleep, just a point where you let go and drift off so you start to free flow in your own thoughts, no longer aware that they exist, that's some sort of different entity from you, or aware you exist at all in some sort of sense where you could make a statement about it. You just go, rolling through the streams of imagery your mind weaves out. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Meditation is just too awesome for words. |
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who says were not conscious in dreamless sleep? |
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Last edited by juroara; 08-31-2008 at 12:08 AM.
I have had a good number of dreams that at the time, made perfect sense. But upon waking up, none of it made any sense. Also, I can't really remember these dreams, only a fragmented idea of what it was kind of about remains, together with one scene from it. Understanding what you did definitely affects memory I'd say. I can only remember dreams that make at least some sense to my waking conscience. |
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My guess would be that remembering was necessary whenever language came to be. It is required for explaining everything. We probably learned to remember through deja vu experiences leading us to consider having already seen something we are not currently seeing. It also helps us avoid repeating our own mistakes. Perhaps we evolved the ability to remember after too many people without this ability ended up killing themselves off by repeating risky behaviors. |
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I definitely think that we are conscious even while in slow wave sleep. We aren't able to remember the details very well, and there probably aren't many, but we certainly retain some level of awareness even in deep sleep. Whenever I wake up, even from slow-wave sleep, there seems to be quite a bit of continuity to the experience, as if the external world was interrupting a thought I was having. The fact that people can WILD is proof that we are at least capable of consciousness during slow-wave sleep. |
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I meant, how do you learn to remember the moments you are in deep sleep when you don't have dreams? |
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"Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina
My guess would be some sort of sensory deprivation, and just see where that takes you. I am wondering the same thing. You'd have to somehow find a way to be lucid in such a state and remember what it was like. Then try to describe it every time you manage to pull it off and look for patterns. But it is such a mystery, I don't even know if I would be able to describe it if I experienced it. |
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I really don't think that we are consciouss in deep sleep. But maybe I"m using a different definiton. Conscioussness is when you are aware of what you are exeriencing while experiencing it. But during deep sleep I would consider myself to be unaware. Maybe there is some level of consciousness, but it is very low. I think that if you were to become aware during deep sleep it would turn into a dream of some sort. But I think unconsciouness is part of deep sleep. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
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Yeah I don't think so either, I was just assuming what jurorara was talking about: "what if we were conscious but don't remember?" |
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"Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina
I've had those too. They are really hard to remember. I always remember thinking, but not what I was thinking about. But I always considered those dreams and not deep sleep. I guess it mostly depends on personal definitions of phrases. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
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