Time

**Carôusoul** · 09-09-2008 10:11 AM

Time is Infinite

To be finite, time would have to have an end.

For anything to have an end, there has to be a time when it exists and a later time when it has stopped existing.

So for time to have an end, there would have to be time after time had stopped existing, which is a contradiction.

So time can’t have an end.

Time is Finite

If time were infinite, an infinite series of moments would have to have concluded before any given moment.
But an infinite series can’t conclude.
So no given moment in time could ever get around to occuring, as it were.
But time is just the series of temporal moments.
So time can’t be infinite.

???Discuss???

**Xaqaria** · 09-09-2008 10:19 AM

Define; moment.

**Carôusoul** · 09-09-2008 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Define; moment.

Defined particular point in time.

**The Enterer** · 09-09-2008 10:26 AM

I believe in coyotes and time as an abstract.

**Xaqaria** · 09-09-2008 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Omicron

Defined particular point in time.

time is a measurement of length. A point does not have length. Therefore, a moment of time does not exist.

Also, who said an infinite series can't end? What about the infinite series of fractions between 1 and 2?

**ClouD** · 09-09-2008 11:10 AM

Infinity can only exist in the moment?
Since the moment is all that is, what else?

What 'happened' exists as what is. What 'will happen', exists as what is.

**Kushna Mufeed** · 09-09-2008 11:33 AM

Hmm...maybe time could be a combination of the two theories.

Time has a beginning, but it will continue on forever.

**Carôusoul** · 09-09-2008 01:15 PM

There is a problem with both arguments we haven't noticed yet, which means they are both meaningless.

**Carôusoul** · 09-09-2008 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

Time has a beginning, but it will continue on forever.

To be finite, time would have to have a beginning

For anything to have a beginning, there has to be a time when it exists and an earlier time when it does not exist.

So for time to have a beginning, there would have to be time before time had started existing, which is a contradiction.

So time can’t have a beginning.

**O'nus** · 09-09-2008 08:42 PM

What is time?

Can you define time without utilizing a variable integral to human memory or any other phenomenology?

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**drewmandan** · 09-10-2008 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Omicron

To be finite, time would have to have a beginning

For anything to have a beginning, there has to be a time when it exists and an earlier time when it does not exist.

So for time to have a beginning, there would have to be time before time had started existing, which is a contradiction.

So time can’t have a beginning.

This and the others are just double speak.

**ClouD** · 09-10-2008 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by drewmandan

This and the others are just double speak.

Omicron was rational.

Omicron is rational.

Omicron will be rational.
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Time is an illusion. The moment is all that is; both past and future existing now.
Nothing infinite can be defined but as the unknown.

**grasshoppa** · 09-12-2008 12:41 PM

Someone should describe to me how time passes.

**Xaqaria** · 09-13-2008 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Omicron

There is a problem with both arguments we haven't noticed yet, which means they are both meaningless.

There are many problems with both arguments. Thanks for making a meaningless thread.

**ClouD** · 09-13-2008 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

There are many problems with both arguments. Thanks for making a meaningless thread.

You are a fool.

**Cyclic13** · 09-13-2008 11:48 AM

Aren't "we" all?

You... we... he... she... they... it...

All... fools...

**Xaqaria** · 09-13-2008 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by ClouD

You are a fool.

No need to tell me what I already (don't) know. Don't you remember my original tag line?

**O'nus** · 09-14-2008 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by ClouD

Omicron was rational.

Omicron is rational.

Omicron will be rational.

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Aren't "we" all?

You... we... he... she... they... it...

All... fools...

I remember a dream views where people did not say so much vague pseudo-intellectual garbage. What is all this? Does it even mean anything? Stop trying to breach beyond your context. Holy crap I hate this thread.

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**Xaqaria** · 09-14-2008 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by O'nus

I remember a dream views where people did not say so much vague pseudo-intellectual garbage. What is all this? Does it even mean anything? Stop trying to breach beyond your context. Holy crap I hate this thread.

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This one isn't even that bad. I've seen some threads that are just pages of pages of solskye (cyclic13), cloud, really, and a few others spouting nonsensical bullshit and pretending they understand each other enough to agree. If you do enough acid and read enough wikipedia pages on eastern philosophy, you can join in on the fun too.

**Cyclic13** · 09-14-2008 12:51 AM

"Speak for yourself!", said the masks to each other as they fervently scrape at the walls of themselves in casting judgement, attempting to defend their digital turf, and all the while making endless assumptions in order to make their moment more "real" than the next.

"Oh, the silly games "we" play", said I... as he marionettes the masks to and fro...

HA!

Egos start to harden just before they crack... Mon Chéri

**Xaqaria** · 09-14-2008 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Egos start to harden just before they crack.

Are you talking about me or yourself? Are you hoping that your vague preacher attitude is going to 'crack' your ego allowing you to learn the truth?

**StonedApe** · 09-14-2008 02:03 AM

AHAHAHA. Isn't the ego such a funny thing? I think he was making a general statement towards all of us.

**Cyclic13** · 09-14-2008 02:43 AM

TEEHEE!

**Xaqaria** · 09-14-2008 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by stonedape

AHAHAHA. Isn't the ego such a funny thing? I think he was making a general statement towards all of us.

Actually, I doubt that. He tends to respond rather passive aggressively to any question of his guru-hood. I didn't make assumptions based on the one statement by itself, but also combined with past history.

**Cyclic13** · 09-14-2008 06:58 AM

Think what you must...

I will have it no other way...

If A, then B.

If A, then !B.

Which is it?

If ∞, then ∞.

Always and never...

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