Thread: Immortality..?

I have a personal favior for your first theory, i believe that our sole is immortal and it simply travles through numerous physical forms, i believe that most people are not aware of past lives because of the drastic chenges that go on arround us, we have to learn to think and in doing so we forget what we all ready know, i don't have a link to back that one up tho it's just my oppinion. I also believe that bodys are over rated and if i had a choice between being a physical being or a spiritual i would choose the later, hmmm that sounds a little drpressing doesn't it, i would just prefer to be a spirit so i could injoy the immortal freedom, free from the bondage of a physical self.

Beingness....The only Soul

The Seeing which is constant

Awareness

Expressing through each body

Through each living thing

Consciousness, a window


Self realization, a conception

Potential for the conscious to be "re-Born"


Consciousness of the body dies with the body

Consciousness born of the AMness continues on

Seeing... conscious, beyond the body, beyond such mortailty


Contained yet free

Distinct yet connected

Lines without true division

Immortality of our experience, memory and genetic dispositions would most likely be achieved through a very advanced computer system. Assuming the computer was hypothetically on forever.

I have no reason to believe in reincarnation or the existence of a non-physical soul.

Most peolpe don't Omircon...

I think we can reach immortality...Over many years of trying...

We go from..25 life year..45 life year to 78 life years...I do see us getting to a point of forever.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Beingness....The only Soul

The Seeing which is constant

Awareness

Expressing through each body

Through each living thing

Consciousness, a window


Self realization, a conception

Potential for the conscious to be "re-Born"


Consciousness of the body dies with the body

Consciousness born of the AMness continues on

Seeing... conscious, beyond the body, beyond such mortailty


Contained yet free

Distinct yet connected

Lines without true division

Good point!

Immortality doesn't exist while we're identifying with the mortal life! If you will reveal eternal life, accept what is true, deny what is false.

I think it's reasonable to believe that technology could keep a human living forever, but I don't think the guy would be able to enjoy life much. If he went outside he'd risk dieing by the thousands of dangers outside. Anything could go wrong(given enough time). He'd have to stay inside hooked up to futuristic machines with generators constantly running for all eternity. He'd probably be able to be hooked into the web though..


As for all that spirit mumbo jumbo. No.

Theory:

What we experience as our 'mind' is caused directly by processes in our physical brain. If the brain shuts down permanently, we die. No non-physical 'soul' survives.

Cons:
-It's not a happy-happy rainbow-heaven theory, since it doesn't allow for you grandparents being still existing.
-It might take a base level of knowledge of the brain to really understand the theory.
-You have to drop some dogmatic anthropocentric assumptions about absolute values and human uniqueness.

Pros:
-You don't have to invent immaterial entities for which there is no reason and that only collide with what we Do certainly know about the physical universe.
-You have a great majority of the scientific and academic community agreeing with you.
-It's true.

I would rather not live forever in this physical world, if i am to live forever i would not be my human self, i would not be human at all...i have no way of knowing about immortal life but nobody does either. As for making yourself live longer through science...maybe billions of years from now could you do that.

Life IS too long as it is


Maybe when you die you live again, afterall it happened once already, it's not impossible for it to happen again, you just wont know of it and it can range between right away to trillons of years later or longer, and you can be anything, even not from Earth. You would not have memories of past lives because...you are not that person, all you have is new memories, and a new awareness, everything else is gone. You're just awareness in the first place and without it you are not here. You wont expierience this moment, you wont see anything, you will be....nothing.

Of course this is just a theory, but i think it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Theory:

What we experience as our 'mind' is caused directly by processes in our physical brain. If the brain shuts down permanently, we die. No non-physical 'soul' survives.

i want to believe this myselfe but then i think of spirits/ghosts. theres not much scientific evidence for ghosts but there are too many personal accounts to pretend that everyones making it up. its kinda like people who say that we make lucid dreaming up.


also another though about immortality. theres the theorey with quantum mechanics that there are infinite universes and there's a copy of each of us in every one. if this is true then i think when we die we just keep living in millions of other universes until theres only 1 of yourself left. and if there are this many universes i think one has the technology to keep you alive forever.

also i was interested in the third theorey? i won't deal any judgement

i think that immortality could be acheived. of course..humans in the state that we are in now its not possible. humans have a lot of, for lack of a better term, "evolving" to do before immortality could be possible.

Amidreaming.Um you may not, but others will...PM me if you truely care to know.

No, I don't believe in immortality simply because nothing lasts forever.

no i do not belive in it because i am a christian, and i belive in god and the after life, speaking in theological terms, the after life is infinite.....immortal in after life? i guess you could say so.

Originally Posted by Tombe

no i do not belive in it because i am a christian, and i belive in god and the after life, speaking in theological terms, the after life is infinite.....immortal in after life? i guess you could say so.

How does being a Christian conflict with the idea of mortal immortality at all? If anything Christianity supports immortality. I mean just look at Jared and Methuselah. Both of them lived over 950 years old.

Originally Posted by ClassyElf

How does being a Christian conflict with the idea of mortal immortality at all? If anything Christianity supports immortality. I mean just look at Jared and Methuselah. Both of them lived over 950 years old.

But they aren't alive now. Hence, not immortal.

We go from..25 life year..45 life year to 78 life years

Its more like some hundred years, to about 80 years gradually, and 25 years was the middle ages. All of that has to do with many variables not our level of concioussness I believe.

Originally Posted by EchoSun13

We go from..25 life year..45 life year to 78 life years...I do see us getting to a point of forever.

Originally Posted by EchoSun13

Theory one-..Are souls are old..Reincarnation, We are just props for the soul simple for them to get around faster..We can either go from body to body and live that way..or this is were immortality comes in. are soul can take are body and keep it for ever..And the body is strong, the soul has the power to protect it and we neverdie or we never need anything that makes us living.
Are souls are our life...

Theory two- We get in touch with our old self and new self and are body may die but when we have the other body we find our past thoughts and memories and live for ever that way...We take advantage of the body.

Whether the human could be biologically engineered to "live" forever (better word: survive) or not, is no matter to Spirit. And if it could be done, it will not reveal eternal happiness while we are identifying with the human body, as we think it is "me".

The thing I really wonder about reincarnation is what they talked about in that second video from Waking LIfe. The new souls bit. Are most of us first time humans and only some of us have been reincarnated? And do these "new souls" come from some other physical existance like animals or something?

I don't think animals have souls yet. Read up on the "Bicameral Man" thing. I don't know much about it, but from what I understand... yes

The first video isn't supposed to explain reincarnation, only immortality.
However I do not agree entirely, which is not to say I disagree. I think that life understood is life lived. I think that we will continue to adapt to longer lifespan, and this will be fulfilled in a shorter and shorter time.

....BUT....

There are two things wrong with Echo basing her beliefs on that.

1: Yes, you can say that fulfillment of the whole Neo-Human yadda will happen nearly instantaneously, but NEARLY is the key word. Every legit unit of time (hours, minutes, etc) can be cut in half, and half of that cut in half for ever and ever, which makes instantaneous fulfillment impossible

and

2: Physical immortality is impossible to reach through that method. Yes, in every generation the lifespan will get progressively greater at an increasing rate. But no, we can not get to immortality (infinity) by these means! Not anymore than we can count to infinity. We will forever be increasing our life spans, but it will not reach infinity, or as you say, immortality.

why do engines stop working?

they either run out of gas or just break down because they are old.

So how can you keep an engine working forever?

You must keep it perfectly clean, lubricated, and repair it at the rate it is broken down.

You must have always have gas.

The cleaning is dao salt, the gas is immortal moxa. www.jbni.us

That's weird.