Thread: ClouD, Cyclic, DeathCell, really, zeneyes, etc.

You're argument is that as long as reality's a subjective experience we might as well assume it's not?

Originally Posted by O'nus

+ The only thing you can be certain of is subjective knowledge
+ Although everything else in the world is questionable, we can find use out of things through their utility
+ The utility of these things allow us to grow our individual awareness
+ Although we have subjective spurts of self-awareness, we cannot properly express this to anyone
+ Thus, speaking directly of self-enlightenment is impossible
+ Thus, while we cannot truly speak of subjective means, we ought to only speak of those things that offer utility as it propels mutual growth.

There, this is a simple run-through. What do you think..?

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In a setting where there are those that can follow and those that cannot, One must speak in different terms to each type.

Like teaching children in a school, you cannot teach kindergartners in the same manner that you teach 12th graders.

the level of "reality" in the world is also of the same sorts. Each "grade" sees the world in a different filter of "reality"

Speaking for "myself", much of the esoteric ("jibberish" to some, deep seated meaning to others) writing that flows from this keyboard, and this mind, is more a means of focusing "myself" than to deal with someone elses point of view... its like climbing a mountain and driving in a stake to hang onto to reach for the next spot to drive another.

.just an observation..

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

No one is trying to reach group consensus here. What was asked was can you describe the opposition's point of view? I think the replies show that the answer is a resounding no. If you can't even understand what other people are trying to say, how can you claim to be enlightened? (thats not directed at you specifically by the way)

But we are... in our own ways.

I understand everything that everyone has been trying to express but find it silly to espouse it back to them. Just as I know certain individuals that need not be named understand everything I have been trying to say. But you see, in our circle, that goes without saying.

We enjoy existing and dwelling in the silence... not the chatter...

No matter how long your dissertation for world peace may be... What happens the moment you finish typing it?

What do all people have in common when they stop the internal and external chatter of their minds?

Nothing.

Nothing cannot be said, but we fumble around with it anyway, like monkeys poking at rocks...

The space between spaces that pervades all thoughts and concepts.

O'nus wanted his point explained back to him, but his point whether he is ready to admit it or not is... nothing...

Just as my point is nothing... As cloud's point is nothing... As ominus deus's point is nothing... As really's point is nothing... As ND's point is nothing... We all try and grasp the ungraspable into words and express it in our own way to justify our path...

Some do it with logical lego blocks of text... Some do it with pictures and videos... Some in iambic pentameter... O'nus will continue doing what he finds useful to him... A rat on a wheel of his own making... like us all...

We marionette ourselves in whatever manner pleases us... that I find amusing... so I point it out...

What he asks in explaining his point of view is a narrow one-sided view that I can step into as easily as putting on a different mask. However, nothing I could say would justly explain his point of view back to him short of copying and rewording his walls of text back for him to read.

Kind of like holding up a verbal mirror for him to look into...

That is why i speak of nothing. I can express nothing by saying nothing, or fail at expressing nothing outside my own mind by saying something. Both succeed, in that they serve as personal gaps between the silence and chatter for our individual minds.

Some jump on-board a given idea which gives them personal solace and quells their chatter... while others do not..

Each post placates our individual egos to the point we can silence our own internal chatter and return to the silence. Some need to make more logical juxtapositions before they can silence themselves is all...

Is that growth?

That's not for me to say...

Fish in a basket.

There you go editing posts again.

Nothing lasts forever...

lol

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

If you can't even understand what other people are trying to say, how can you claim to be enlightened? (thats not directed at you specifically by the way)

Who has claimed to be enlightened? What a misconception...

What a funny thread....

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

O'nus wanted his point explained back to him, but his point whether he is ready to admit it or not is... nothing...

That's your opinion of me - you are still failing to assert what my argument is.

Just as my point is nothing... As cloud's point is nothing... As ominus deus's point is nothing... As really's point is nothing... As ND's point is nothing... We all try and grasp the ungraspable into words and express it in our own way to justify our path...

This is only your opinion of others - you are still failing to assert what others points are. Prepositioning others does not immediately make you correct.

Some do it with logical lego blocks of text... Some do it with pictures and videos... Some in iambic pentameter... O'nus will continue doing what he finds useful to him... A rat on a wheel of his own making... like us all...

As much as you want to believe in the futility of life, I do not agree.

What he asks in explaining his point of view is a narrow one-sided view that I can step into as easily as putting on a different mask. However, nothing I could say would justly explain his point of view back to him short of copying and rewording his walls of text back for him to read.

No, if you understoof my point, you would know that I am seeking discussion and mutual enlightenment - you are not offering any of that and keep arguing for the futility of things.

And this is why I keep asking - why are you talking at all?

Each post placates our individual egos to the point we can silence our own internal chatter and return to the silence. Some need to make more logical juxtapositions before they can silence themselves is all...

Just because you feel discussions are the seeking of others to commit fallacio to your opinion does not mean that others think so. I seek mutual enlightenment, not ego-inflation.

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Originally Posted by really

Who has claimed to be enlightened? What a misconception...

What a funny thread....

Quit being pretentious

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You are having the discussion you are seeking, O'nus.

If nothing is to ever be gained, futility doesn't exist logically.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Quit being pretentious

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"Why are you talking at all?"

Originally Posted by really

"Why are you talking at all?"

You..could as yourself the same question....

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

You..could as yourself the same question....

Yes, but I think it is an aimless question. That is what I was trying to illustrate.

Does one aim when peeing in a tea cup? Hehehehe

All you guys have proven is that you cannot illustrate another persons point and get all defensive about it by trying to justify your ignorance with profoundly vague justifications.

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Who determines who can or can't? How are you able to impose your perspective as fact?

If anything, the logical justifications are coming from your end and all it shows is a failure for you to drop the ego and allow the entry of other thoughts and perspectives.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

All you guys have proven is that you cannot illustrate another persons point and get all defensive about it by trying to justify your ignorance with profoundly vague justifications.

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What is there to illustrate? It is not complex.

I elaborated on what I thought of your point, that's not demonstrating an understanding in the particular context?

Originally Posted by O'nus

All you guys have proven is that you cannot illustrate another persons point and get all defensive about it by trying to justify your ignorance with profoundly vague justifications.

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Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Who determines who can or can't? How are you able to impose your perspective as fact?

If anything, the logical justifications are coming from your end and all it shows is a failure for you to drop the ego and allow the entry of other thoughts and perspectives.

What do you think?

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lol

These two posts could respond to each other in an endless downward spiral.

Eram quod es, eris quod sum

You.... You open up the doors I close...

Originally Posted by O'nus

All you guys have proven is that you cannot illustrate another persons point and get all defensive about it by trying to justify your ignorance with profoundly vague justifications.

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Remember, this is not proof. It is your perception of the matter.

Now how does this relate to the topic?

I'm not sure what to say anymore. What ought I say?

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So you want to keep talking? Find reasons to talk...