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      Psionics and (possible) connection to Satanism

      Psionics has become quite popular on the forums lately. But after reasearching on the internet, I find ALOT of sites that deal with psionics, are 100% satanist. I find it a little creepy that so many sites are. I'm not sure what to think of psionics, Lucid Dreaming was something I always had as a small child, but Psionic abilities are usually gained through practice.

      Well, it just feels weird all of a sudden. I like to think of it as not tied to anything, that its a sense almost like taste or smell, except you have to strengthen it. But i've always tried to walk a good path and when I see sites like that.

      Psipog.net and many of the reputable sites claim they have no affiliation with religion at all, and I like that.. just be careful where you go with this stuff.

      I am not in any way saying psionics is good or bad, I'm saying, I see it connected to many different things, and depending on the way you take it, it can be very dangerous.

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      I don't believe in it at all. But if I did, I really doubt it would be connected to any religion.

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      Certain aspects of it are quite believable. Empathy is something that I randomly started getting when I would LD. Since I've learned how to shield it, it doesn't bother me anymore..

      Other things like telekinesis, I cannot be sure on, as I have never experianced it or seen it. Its hard to say, there are many things we do not understand in this world, the mind is one of them.

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      Originally posted by TheUnknown
      Empathy is something that I randomly started getting when I would LD. Since I've learned how to shield it, it doesn't bother me anymore..
      Empathy is just understanding of another's feelings, nothing psychic about it.

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      Re: Psionics and (possible) connection to Satanism

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      I tend to not believe in psioncs very much, mainly because of this site. All the people with paranormal abilities need to do is go in and test scientifically, and they get a sweet mil. Seems easy doesn't it. If only they'd offer it for lucid dreamers . According to Randi (the guy who runs it) apparantly a lot of people who take it are genuine, not in that they can do it, but they believe they can.

      I'm interested, what makes something 100% satanist nowdays? I thought that satanism was based off the cult/worship of dionysus, they're just a bunch of hedonists having a good time. Am I just making that up? I do know the "guy with horns" image is taken from dionysus maybe thats it.

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      I believe in psi but agree that its very odd that no one has managed to claim the prize yet. There could be many excuses to that.
      In the sence of psi being evil is unlikely since if its possible one uses psi the way one feel like. And if one feel evil the definition one had of evil would be subjective. So the easist is to say, there are no good/evil, just action.

      For the debate if its possible or not, I think its possible in the way that there is something behind the third dimension that connects everything. Just like the led figures are connected on and by peace of paper(2d), viewed in a 3d realm(our).

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      Originally posted by Turkeh+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Turkeh)</div>
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      Empathy is something that I randomly started getting when I would LD. Since I've learned how to shield it, it doesn't bother me anymore..
      Empathy is just understanding of another's feelings, nothing psychic about it.[/b]
      It is, yes. We learnt about it in a Drama lesson. I never mentioned it, though.

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      There was a big thing some years back. Well the KGB were probably the first to mess with it, but more recently even the CIA became involved. It is called remote viewing. This can be tied pretty closely in with psi, but it has been shown that there have been people able to give detailed information about places they have never been to, (ie. military compounds). Why would goverments waste their money on something like this if there was no basis to it.

      I cannot say either way, I test as much as I can in this world. I try to find which things are myth and which are real, and I definetly feel there are certain aspects of psi that are real.

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      """"psi"""" or energy and all forms or energy manipulation you all have mentioned can be used for GOOD or EVIL depending on your intentions. so yes, it CAN be satanic and it can be healing and purposeful..depends on the person. Like everything, it depends on intention.
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      Its just a natural thing, nature is always neutral and balanced and is not good or evil.(by neutral and balanced I dont mean something in between, I mean neither of them, it does not have an "alignment")

      IMO evil=harming yourself,others or the planet

      So any psi abilities are certainly not evil or holy for the matter, they are just the same as any other ability you might have. Like you might have great charisma and you can either use this to let people to do your work by talking them into things or you could use it to bring people closer to one another.
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      Hmm let me see. Psionics evil and related with satan. K so what aspects of psionics do you find satanic?

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      ROFL!!!

      No, psi is NOT related with satan. Satanist do practice it, but its not related to any religion, as psipog said. Negative energy, dark energy and black magick, are the ones that are related to evil, but not satan.
      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
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      "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
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      "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
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      Although this site is a satanic site about psionics: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis6...666/SPELLS.html.
      I'm not so sure if it's related to satan, but many things really do look like their related to satan on this site.
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      Originally posted by Turkeh+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Turkeh)</div>
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      Empathy is something that I randomly started getting when I would LD. Since I've learned how to shield it, it doesn't bother me anymore..
      Empathy is just understanding of another's feelings, nothing psychic about it.[/b]
      True, but Empathic is the term used for one who is able to sense another's emotions.

      I don't be psionics are satanic anymore than witchcraft. Most of the time people just assume that it is. Psionics is an gift, if one has it. What your do with it is another matter, it doesn't make the gift evil or good.

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      Originally posted by TheUnknown
      There was a big thing some years back. Well the KGB were probably the first to mess with it, but more recently even the CIA became involved. It is called remote viewing. This can be tied pretty closely in with psi, but it has been shown that there have been people able to give detailed information about places they have never been to, (ie. military compounds). Why would goverments waste their money on something like this if there was no basis to it.

      I cannot say either way, I test as much as I can in this world. I try to find which things are myth and which are real, and I definetly feel there are certain aspects of psi that are real.
      Think about it, the prospect of being able to read military secrets without getting anywhere near them is worth spending a few million in. However, it proved inconclusive. It was terminated.

      CIA concluded that there was no case in which ESP had provided data used to guide intelligence operations.[/b]
      (from here)

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      lucious wrote:
      Its just a natural thing, nature is always neutral and balanced and is not good or evil.(by neutral and balanced I dont mean something in between, I mean neither of them, it does not have an \"alignment\")

      IMO evil=harming yourself,others or the planet

      So any psi abilities are certainly not evil or holy for the matter, they are just the same as any other ability you might have. Like you might have great charisma and you can either use this to let people to do your work by talking them into things or you could use it to bring people closer to one another.[/b]
      ah, evil is really the absence of god, such as dark is to light, evil does not in itself exist

      this isnt really what you were saying, true, i just wanted to share that with you all

      you should google some of einstien's speaches... he was the one who said that...
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      when I got interested in psionics, I restricted myself to only a couple of things, trying not to learn evil stuff like empathy (I think intruding other people's mind is evil). But I stopped, not because it didn't work (I'm pretty convinced it works), but because it interfered with my religion. I think if you're not religious, you can go ahead and practice psionics but for religious people.
      But for religious people: I think psionics builds self-confidence. Not positive self confidence, though. Confident that you can do many great things with your own power, things that God is supposed to do, like using your mind power to throw a pencil at someone. Then, like Satan, you'll think that you are just as powerful as God since you can do stuff that he does, and I guess that's evil.
      I don't wanna offend anybody that already does psionics, but I just wanna warn religious people.

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      I myself am religious.. I have views on a few things with psionics.. since this has been out there for awile now.

      I believe if its real, its real. As with guns, psionics can be used for good and evil. I fear that many people would use it for power, but people like me, have looked at it as another thing in this world to understand. If you think its there, why not try it. I don't worship it, I try to tie everything in with my religion. Even dreams.. thats a concoction of your own mind, It depends on whether you want to have good or evil there.

      Empathy.. heh, you would think thats evil? I don't feel that way about it, since I really don't consider empathy true psionics. It just comes natural, like you can tell when someone is sad, happy, pissed off, scared.. whatever. I think that with certain people this bond is stronger... I've always felt empathy was natural, and is a way of connecting people.

      I guess the thing is.. theres alot in this world we don't know, with or without God, theres not a handbook to go by on this sort of thing. The church itself, you should look at many of the stances.. you'll find on some they do not speak out at all where they should, and on others they are seemingly against in order to protect people. I guess, if you want to be cautious about your faith, psionics isn't too good for it. But then again, if you find an attachment to your faith with it (lets say you learn howto heal people.. and you feel its attrubuted to God, and you can really just do it). As long as you don't try to profit from it, and you try to help others, i can't see the evil.

      I know.. theres people here who are atheist or agnostic, thats alright.. you have your beliefs, i have mine. I'm all for critisism.. but not of the flamewar type like "there is no evil" or "religion is bad". I'm lookin more for how people stand on this matter alone.

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      If I didn't have empathy I don't think that I would be where I am today. It is a useful skill which I have been blessed with. I use it for my own intentions whether they are good and evil at the time. No inatimate object or skill is evil. It is just an object used in evil intentions. The object or skill has no intention of being evil or being anything, but an inatimate object or skill for that matter. I am highly religious and use empathy daily. It helps me get through my life. Psionics if they do exist are a useful tool mankind should master for the greater good of itself which is why I like it. For the greater good of me and the ones I love. I always want to learn new skills.
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      Yeah, empathy is just a natural thing to many people.. almost like another emotion that attaches them to other people.. remember.. empathy can be used to convey good things too.. like love between two people. I believe its one of the main things of psionics that is known to be real, good or not.

      But, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, thats a good thing to have.. that not enough people do today.

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      Originally posted by lord soth
      you should google some of einstien's speaches... he was the one who said that...
      Wrong. Please research your "facts" a bit deeper before assuming them to be just that: facts. In this case, it's fiction. Didn't mean to get into this argument, just felt like pointing that out.

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      Well, I am going to come from a completely different viewpoint on this and insist on proof. I looked in psipog and the thread I read consisted a of a bunch of people planning on producing a giant psiball at the halftime show of the superbowl. Although it may not hepl at all, I would say that if anyone tells ypou they can move a pencil with their mind you better ask for proof. In fact, and I have made ushc challenges to psychics before, Idare anyone to prove to me that psionics is a real phenomenon. As far as empathy, or I guess basically causing people to like you, its not that hard if you are a likeable person.

      It is a pleasing idea I think to many people that he world may be so much more than what we see, but wihtout proff it is just as likely that it is only and exactly what we see. I once challenged an entire psychic forum with a question and offered $500 dollars if anyone could tell me the answer. None of them could and they spent untold nasty replies trying to tell me why they did not have to perform for me.

      I say caveat emptor,

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      Psionics

      I'm NOT trying to be rude....but obviously you know nothing about true Satanism.REAL Satanists(like myself),know that any natural ability you have,YOU can use.

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      i believe that any spiritual powers we use not in the way god wants us to, its bad (witchcraft) but if we use it the way god tells us to, its good.
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      I don't think psionics are in any way linked to the so called 'Satinist' culture, if indeed there really is one, aside from a few teenagers who call themselves 'Satanists'. If Psionics are a natural phenomenon, then how could it be evil? I am not a Christian, but I would think that if it were a natural thing it would not be something evil, because after all, (if there is a God) God would have enabled people to attain the skill....I don't see how those two things fit, if in fact psionics are a real thing......
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