Thread: How is the USA similar to ancient Rome?

Originally Posted by dajo

No cancer or Aids either,.. and all of that.

I'm pretty sure cancer was around back in the days of the Roman empire, the Romans were simply unable to describe it separately of other diseases. Not all carcinogens are manmade. AIDS was around(but unidentified) unless the paranoid people that think AIDS is a recently engineered virus happen to be correct.

Well, first the Amero will be introduced and provide a singular currency for north america, and from there Mexico and Canada will be assimilated into the United States. It's not about whites and non-white's anymore. It's about the super rich and the rest of us. However, the people at the top probably see us in a similar way Hitler viewed the Jews.

Don't seem too wild to me.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

Mexico and Canada will be assimilated into the United States.

That would be pretty mind blowing. When do you think it is going to happen?

Originally Posted by Licity

I'm pretty sure cancer was around back in the days of the Roman empire, the Romans were simply unable to describe it separately of other diseases. Not all carcinogens are manmade. AIDS was around(but unidentified) unless the paranoid people that think AIDS is a recently engineered virus happen to be correct.

AIDS was not around that time, HIV evolved lately, around the last 100 years or so.

Vira evolve fast, there could be a new virus made right now.
Cancer has always been around.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

HIV evolved

Stop spreading the lies of Satan. Have you ever seen a gorilla give birth to a human? I don't think you or anybody else has ever seen the Hispanic or Asian version of a gorilla either. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Stop spreading the lies of Satan. Have you ever seen a gorilla give birth to a human? I don't think you or anybody else has ever seen the Hispanic or Asian version of a gorilla either. Whatever.

Someone with knowledge of biology teach this guy..

The first documented case of HIV was made in 1959.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../391594a0.html

What the fuck are you talking about, gorilla giving birth to a human, are you high?

Read:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib..._0/medicine_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis (how a animal disease can spred to humans)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Someone with knowledge of biology teach this guy..

The first documented case of HIV was made in 1959.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../391594a0.html

What the fuck are you talking about, gorilla giving birth to a human, are you high?

Read:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib..._0/medicine_04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis (how a animal disease can spred to humans)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS

Oh, so now an amoeba gave birth to a human, and it just exploded from nothingness like a big fireworks stand. You and your magic...

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Cancer has always been around.

But the cancer-rates have been increasing like hell.. so..
Most things that cause cancer have not been around as much.

and I was refering to the 'prehistoric times' anyway.

Each timeframe has its own problems/illnesses/stuff.

(I picked your post, but meant to respond in general to the medicin thing)

Specialis, I test this theory out a lot, and I KNOW of its realistic nature. It is very real and very common.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Specialis, I test this theory out a lot, and I KNOW of its realistic nature. It is very real and very common.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law

The only people who ever think what I am saying is satire are people who already know my religious beliefs. Aside from them, 100% of people so far who responded to me thought I was serious. Only one of them ended up calling Poe's Law on what I was saying, and it was after a very long exchange. It is hard to make satire of fundamentalism look like satire.

All powerful civilizations have similarities and all eventually fall out of power. No one really stays the "ultimate" power forever, eventually someone else will come along and it'll be their time. The US can't stay on top forever but when our time is up, we can at least come down gracefully.

Ancient Romans exploited resources gathered from all around for their pleasures. They were nearly always at war, and not for what I would consider good reasons. The citizens expected to not have to do much actual work. They didn't have enough people joining their military to sustain their military activities. Many people (most notably the barbarians) despised them. And perhaps more I haven't thought of.

Are these the similarities you're pointing out?
If it is well then you've got a few things wrong.

The part about the citizens not expected to do much work that's not true in terms of the US. In fact we're probably the most over worked group of people in the Western world. In Europe and the UK they get holidays (weeks off), the actually get time off. In the US we get time off but to get paid time off most people have to have worked a certain amount of hours to build up their vacation time. For national holidays we generally only get one day off and it's THAT day. Obviously not everyone gets off because there are many businesses that are open on holidays too.

We have one of biggest military out there (that's kind of our "thing". We're a military power).

Of course many people despise us but many people also despise the Chinese and French. The US is just more out there, our products and media is all over the world (we reach more people thus more people are able to hate us. ).

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

The only difference is a little technology. People that like to think we live in a more civilized world are only fooling themselves. Roman empire crashed and burned. British empire crashed and burned. The American empire will crash and burn too, eventually.

Now some of you are going to be like "ZOMG AMERICAN EMPIRE WE DONT LIVE IN AN EMPIRE." Yes... Yes, we do. Empire building is done through economics now, not by sword and shield. There is more human suffering in this world right now than any other time in human history. This is American corporations hard at work - to make more for themselves and less for everyone else.

America resembles the Roman Republic, not the Roman Empire.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Honestly, are you afraid we are going to take over Canada and Mexico and exterminate all of their non-whites? Is that concept realistic at all?

Haha I agree, talk about crazy liberals lol

Lol, I wish I could talk in person. The singular currency isn't too far off. As for assimilation, probably not, the people just wouldn't stand for it.

But back to more wild conspisary....The USA IS the roman empire!!! oo0o0oo0o0ooo0o0o0o0

All I can tell you is like Rome America will fall from the inside within the ranks. Corruption and greed will ultimately break our backs, and it will happen without us realizing until it is to late.

This is one way i could imagine-

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." - Cicero, 42 B.C.

Rome mostly fell because its rulers and institutions were putting short-term ambition and personal survival over the wider good of the state from what I hear.

This seems to be happening in the good old US of A as well, but on more of a financial and resource management level.

America/Europe fights war to steal oil, diamonds, and all goodies from Africa, the most resourceful but yet poorest contintent on the world. The Africans have no weapons to fight back except for the weapons they bought from America/Europe. There are no weapon factories in Africa or the middle-east. People in Africa are dying from starvation while people in America/Europe are dying from obesitas.

Still up until this day, Belgium for example still uses slaves in Africa for it's chocolate. "Slave-free"-Chocolate has been banned out of the stores because the Judge ruled that "There is no such thing as slave-free chocolate".

This world has now officialy gone insane. There is no war going on, this is pure genocide and enslavement. Why? Out of hate? No.. only because we want a bigger TV... LOL!

I don't think the United States has any similarities to ancient Rome, but I do see a lot of similarities to the Roman Republic.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Haha I agree, talk about crazy liberals lol

What is it with americans and generalising people as "liberals"

I hear this everywhere from americans, to american tv etc.

I'm sure people have far more varied and mixed political views than being able to categorise whole swathes of people into "lol liberals dey stoopid"

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

What is it with americans and generalising people as "liberals"

I hear this everywhere from americans, to american tv etc.

I'm sure people have far more varied and mixed political views than being able to categorise whole swathes of people into "lol liberals dey stoopid"

That's because Republicans have done a successful job of giving the word "Liberal" a negative connotation.

Originally Posted by RSFAD

That's because Republicans have done a successful job of giving the word "Liberal" a negative connotation.

So it's mainly a propogandaish thing?

Originally Posted by RSFAD

I don't think the United States has any similarities to ancient Rome, but I do see a lot of similarities to the Roman Republic.

Is this supposed to mean that the United States are not imperialistic?

Originally Posted by dajo

Is this supposed to mean that the United States are not imperialistic?

Depends, in the sense of traditional no. But economically, yes I would agree with you.

Also, sorry I didn't meant to say "there's no similarities between ancient Rome and US. Sure there's a lot of parallels with Ancient Rome. What I was trying to say was I more concerned about our similarities with the Roman Republic. Personally, that worries me. If you look at the history of the Roman Republic, and compare it to the US. Some very big concerns should start popping up.