Thread: Thought,energy and time

My mom bought me these really cool audio tapes by Deepak Chopra...and he talks about how time is all an illusion...I think you would find it all very interesting. He has me convinced.

http://store.chopra.com/Store_ViewAllProdu...ucts.asp?Cat=36

The one I really like is called "Everyday Immortality"...some of the stuff is over my head but alot of it comes together and makes sense, and it also makes lucid dreaming make more sense as well.

Time is what's experienced during a lack of a good experience. When we're having fun, time could be said to be meaningless. We ignore the passage of the day and we're lost in the moment. I guess it could be considered heaven. When we're doing something tedious/boring/frustrating, time grabs hold and we're left with the feeling of a long, drawn out boring waste. That could be called purgatory or limbo or something like that. When we're experiencing hatred, fear, depression or guilt, it could be considered hell, because it's deceitful and counterproductive. The ones who spend more time in heaven are typically the ones who become self-aware, and who time becomes meaningless for. The ones who don't see the beauty of the world and stay in hell end up leading empty lives, and every second is a second closer to death. They destroy their own lives, and the lives of those who depend on them.

My view of time...Anything to add/subtract/refute?

Time is something humans made up as a means to control (as usual) the outside world. In fact there is only one moment in time - Now, and in "one hour" it will still be Now and in "ten years" it will STILL be Now. time IS an illusion that we have all been brought up to believe is real. thats why i think the idea that there is no passage of time is impossible to fathom.

there's time in the sense of the days length - sun rise/sun set... the 4 seasons...... i don't have lunch when it's a clock say's it's 1pm - i have it when i'm hungry. i go to bed when i'm tired and get up when i need to - not because i've slept in late until 1130am.

i haven't worn a watch now for about 8 years - i manage on the clock on my phone (could be seen as a contradiction), but i'm just not interested - unless i'm at work and then i'm kind of forced to keep the time and i'm cetainly not going to skimp on my lunch hour....!

me and boyfriend only have a mobile phone with a clock in our flat - there are no other clocks around!!

as for a society without a clock or time - haha! it would fall apart at the seams.... time is an illusion and society has created such an illusion that if it was to be removed society would probably collapse. i mean, how lame is that???

A dimension.

I think time is simply how long it takes for two events to happen. We can adjust how we measure these events happening. If a second hand on a watch ticks, then that's two events happening. If one explosion goes off and the other goes off after that, then those are two events happening.

I also agree with Stalker that Time is a dimension. It's a fact that it's a dimension. But one thing to keep in mind is that time isn't constant. If you travel at the speed of light, then time will slow down for you compared to people not travelling at the speed of light.

Time is also effected by gravity. If you get really close to a black hole, time will slow down tremendously.

I don't know why time exists, but it does, and it allow things to change. If there was no time, the universe would basically be frozen in a single state for eternity, and that's why time couldn't be an illusion. It's a series of infinite points like frames in an animation, each of which is slightly different from the other. The human sense of time is a strange thing though, especially in sleep. It seems like you can just lose track of time, and once that happens, the next thing you know will seem to have taken place almost immediately after you lost your sense of time, whether it's a few seconds or years later.

With telekinesis, it's true that thinking creates electrical impulses, but they're very weak. Even if the brain could focus those electrical impulses on outside matter, you'd need a lot of power to move something. The body constantly emits out weak radiation which does effect its surroundings on an atomic scale (probably as close to real TK as any of us will ever get), but to move visible objects it would take a lot more.

"Time is too slow for those who wait, Too swift for those who fear, Too long for those who grieve, Too short for those who rejoice, ...but for those who Love, Time is not" Henry Van Dyke

Time, Space and Gravity are all interconnected. Referred to as "Spacetime".

If Time is an illusion, what of both Gravity, and Space?

So...is there a spoon or not?

Some of you may have already found this website, but here it is for those who haven't, in respect to time and the nde.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research13.html

Originally posted by NobleGaz
If Time is an illusion, what of both Gravity, and Space?

So...is there a spoon or not?

There is not spoon? bah, childs-play. There is no YOU!

but seriously, if nothing exists, what are you? and if you don't exist how are you thinking that you don't exist?
That'll bake yer noodle!

All time is a marker that we have created. Everything is in constant movement, constant change and time is our way of creating a marker to help us schedule our lives. Perhaps you could say that the fact that there is day and night makes time, but that is also just a marker. When the sun goes from one side of the earth to the other, it does so about the same time each time. This is the ancient way of recognizing time. Everything is constantly changing at a certain pace, the fact that we mark it is time, the fact that it's a certain pace is the laws of a number of factors. So really all there is is cycles which are slowy diminishing towards their deaths. Change is growth and death, time is us marking these changes as a way to try and keep track of it all. So really there is no time, there is only cycles of change. All we can do is predict through our madeup marker (time), the average of how things grow and die, arrive and leave.

Great explanation...

Originally posted by NobleGaz
If Time is an illusion, what of both Gravity, and Space?

Yeah. And without time you cannot really explain many things such as: progress, growth, aging, decay, etc. In light of those things, I wouldn't describe it as an illusion, however I do believe that we put a little too much emphasis on our perception of time...

I think that in the physical world, time is another dimension, just like length, width, and height. It is something that can be measured, so in this world, it exists. Its really just as important as the other dimensions, because without it, things would never progress, they would simply exist, frozen in time. In that case, it is possible that nothing would exist, because, based on the big bang theory, the universe was never created. But I'm digressing here.

Time is somewhat different than the other dimensions. For one, it is, as far as we can tell, infinite. Based on some physics laws, there always has been matter and energy, and always will be. I think that time is an important part of the physical existence of anything. Second, it is not something we can travel through at well. Time is moving us along at a constant rate, and as far as we know, there is no way to change this rate, or to reverse it. It's always 'now', always will be 'now'.

Which brings me to something else. Our language seems inadequate for discussing the true nature of time. It works fine for talking about time from our point of view - which always happens to be now. Either something did happen, is happening, or will happen. But in the real scale of time, things happen at certain points along it, there is no past, present, or future.

Now, thats all just my opinion. I've probably overlooked a few things, and I know I left at least on thing out, that being the concept of time when applied to the soul, the consciousness. Surely its different, because our perception of time can change based on the circumstances. But i'll leave that for later.

There's something I do that I like to call time travel. I like to watch where my emotions are coming from (family life, job, etc) and then reason that that is the next place where "something" is going to happen.

I get ready for it. Like, I feel like I'm going to have a fight with a lover. Since I'm half of the relationship, my "feeling" is probably true. So I time travel. I make him a post-fight painting, for the time after the fight is resolved. Then I go back to where I was.

I do this with other people, too. What is coming gives a signal first, in dream and body language. Learning to anticipate is time travel. You wind up in the weirdest places when you step out of skipping-record patterns into other ones.

This is time travel of the spirit and not necessarily the form.

So you look like you're in the same town and you're a young man or woman; the form of the town is the same, but the spirit of it is older, differently charged.

You become recognizeable as a time traveller after death sometimes, but you stick around. Like Whitman.

As far as theories go.
The special relativity theory. > Time & space are intertwined.The faster an object moves, the slower time passes. The slower its motion, the faster the time.When the factor changes the other automatically adjusts. It sounds a bit absurd but to us it is on such a large scale that it is hard for us to comprehend.
But, if this theory has any merit it would mean that time does infact exist.
Also they feel that time can be influenced by gravity being warped much like light by black holes.

That's cool.

This makes me wonder about matter also and the substance/consistency of matter and energy as we know it... The makeup of our flesh is such that it breaks down easily in time, but then there are other things like iron and gold and glass that take much much longer to decay. So, hypothetically, if you had a body made of gold or some other long-lasting substance, time would be perceived much differently. To higher frequncies/vibrational states or "higher energies" that are undetectable to us, "time" might then appear to be forever, or perhaps would "not exist" as we can perceive it...

I'm going to jump in with Stevehattan on this one. At its most fundamental, leaving aside the idea of dimensions, time is that mechanism by which change happens.

What would uor culture be like if we, like the Mayans, had a calendar that was circular and concentric, unfolding from the centre like an onion or a lotus blossom. Interesting to contrast with our rectangle broken into squares, like we have.

How could they interact with each other, this line-following and this unfolding.