It seems to me like its saying "Because you can imagine something exists, it must exist." It has a weird way of saying it, but neither instance is logical. |
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I just came across this old 'proof' of the existence of God which has apparently been extensively studied. I don't mean this thread to be particularly deep, but my problem is basically this: either I'm being thick, or it is simply logically incoherent. |
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It seems to me like its saying "Because you can imagine something exists, it must exist." It has a weird way of saying it, but neither instance is logical. |
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Indeed... where is it proved that all 'great thoughts' actually exist? |
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I see it as: |
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Necessary for what? |
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This is how I perceive it: |
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Last edited by Black_Eagle; 05-21-2009 at 04:52 PM.
Surrender your flesh. We demand it.
Xei, Anslem was overly religious and a favorite of the church. Is their any wonder? It's been awhile but the argument went like this... |
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This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.
Basically what it is saying is, |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 05-21-2009 at 08:00 PM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
"debil's avocate": |
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Transported to a foreign land, a young woman murders a complete stranger. Then, she conspires with three others to murder yet again - The Wizard of Oz
Uh... yes but there wasn't only one point to the argument, was there?? Confirming one isolated axiom completely misses the issue. |
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You're right, there wasn't. Did I say there was not? |
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Last edited by Denver; 05-23-2009 at 07:10 PM.
Transported to a foreign land, a young woman murders a complete stranger. Then, she conspires with three others to murder yet again - The Wizard of Oz
Waaay semi-logic reasoning. The problem is in the first hypothesis. It's very simple if you use slightly more rigorous semantics: |
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Last edited by Kromoh; 05-24-2009 at 12:48 AM.
Saying quantum physics explains cognitive processes is just like saying geology explains jurisprudence.
And if something can be greater than God, than that is the God I am concerned with. Don't misuse God as a title for God as a name, though they are often synonymous. |
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Transported to a foreign land, a young woman murders a complete stranger. Then, she conspires with three others to murder yet again - The Wizard of Oz
If something can be greater than God, than God isn't "something which nothing greater can exist". An analogy in maths: a number can't be larger than itself, or it is not a number at all. |
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Last edited by Kromoh; 05-24-2009 at 03:24 AM.
Saying quantum physics explains cognitive processes is just like saying geology explains jurisprudence.
I've come across this argument before. Rather than go into it too much, this is a video you might like, it was created somewhat recently. |
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Last edited by Sandform; 05-24-2009 at 04:34 AM.
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
I am currently writing a book about transfinite numbers. Infinity is the largest number there is. Infinity + 1 is a negative number. |
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Saying quantum physics explains cognitive processes is just like saying geology explains jurisprudence.
Well, really here you have to tell me what you mean by infinity. |
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Last edited by Sandform; 05-26-2009 at 11:50 AM.
The concept of Supergod is even greater than the greatest thing that can be thought of because the idea of Him involves the ability to transcend logic. He would be even greater if he really existed, and all things that would be greater automatically exist. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Yep. |
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Last edited by DuB; 05-28-2009 at 02:56 AM. Reason: triple post
"I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it.”
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