Thread: I don't think I'll ever get used to the world

I understand you.

Just hang on

I think I like you. :3

Sad to say, you may not find answers. But I do encourage you to continue looking at things from these new perspectives. I'd assume you already do the same with emotion, thought. No different than re-evaluating the purpose of a pencil, I'd say. Even if you don't find any clear-cut answers, it adds variety to thought, "waking lucidity."

sorry but what is the point of this pseudo-philosophical drivel? you're not special just because you have these thoughts, if that's what you're trying to say. I suggest you go back to your books, and come back to this section when you have something useful to discuss.

Interesting to read, sometimes its good to let it all out. I feel I can relate.

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

sorry but what is the point of this pseudo-philosophical drivel? you're not special just because you have these thoughts, if that's what you're trying to say. I suggest you go back to your books, and come back to this section when you have something useful to discuss.

Wow chill out.

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

sorry but what is the point of this pseudo-philosophical drivel? you're not special just because you have these thoughts, if that's what you're trying to say. I suggest you go back to your books, and come back to this section when you have something useful to discuss.

Chill man. Obviously shes just starting to experience this, or has for a long time and has never expressed it. Take it easy.

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

sorry but what is the point of this pseudo-philosophical drivel? you're not special just because you have these thoughts, if that's what you're trying to say. I suggest you go back to your books, and come back to this section when you have something useful to discuss.

Excuse me? Where exactly did I point out that I was "special"?

Seriously, if you're up for a fight, argument or anything, I haven't gotten here for that. I'm not saying I'm special. Meh. >_> If you don't like this then why post at all? Go and find something useful to read, then.

Thanks to everyone for their answer~

Originally Posted by DreamingAway

I think that even the most insignificant thing in this word has its own philosophy.

Borderline wisdom. I think you'll be very welcome on these forums, DA.

Since you'd like to hear our thoughts on the matter, I'll give you something to think over that I often find puzzling. Think about your awareness when you are alone with your thoughts. Think about your awareness when someone is engaged in a dynamic conversation with you. There is a difference with "where" your attention is, as it shifts from "inside" your mind to the outside world. This is easier to observe if you spend an entire day watching a series of episodes of some odd television show, movies, or several hours worth of playing some game. When you go to perform some task immediately afterwards, there'll be an almost "mindlessness" to what you're doing. And I tell you this only because of the way it effects our observation of the reality we are currently experiencing. If reality is what we question, then the tool that we use to think about and observe it should be taken into account as well, should it not? It's a curiosity for me, and something you can think about as you go about your daily life.

On a side note, aircraft usually snap me out of the 'taken for granted' attitude we feel. I can't help but marvel over and over at how incredible it still is that we can move tons of materials through the air that way. Or when we fly, how about that? Too many don't appreciate the sheer awesomeness of being able to fly in a machine.

All the same, I hope enjoy yourself here.

Well, I'm a weak person... my mind used to be crammed to the brim with all these questions, philosophy... a 'useless science'. For every one question that was answered for me, ten new questions were asked. I may not be old, but I use every second I'm given, and in all this time I've realized that if anyone puts any real amount of energy into worrying or concerning themselves with anything, not only will they run out of energy soon... but the energy won't be well spent. So, I've done my best to put aside all these complex, 'human' things. The very nature of human kind, is what I think destroys us. The whole world has all these intentions, and this motives. It's really hard to explain... but I try to just not take part in these 'human' things. People all think as humans we have some sort of obligation to be above others, and to answer things, and to wonder, protect, sustain... all this crap, it just doesn't make sense to me... so I just don't worry about it.

While reading your post I continually had to remind myself that I was not its author. And, from the sounds of it, others might have had to as well. Its very easy for me to imagine myself having written it not that long ago.

These are excellent questions, difficult to contemplate let alone share with others especially given the climate in which we find ourselves. Thoughts like these nowadays are rarely appreciated, as is evidenced by mindwanderer's comment, which can make it seem as though you're alone in experiencing these ideas/concerns. However, I assure you, that is not the case despite what some members, rottingteeth for one, might say. With notions such as these, you join the ranks of a minority whose strength is not in its numbers but rather its ability to affect history. So remember, though it can be terribly frustrating and, certainly, somewhat depressing, as well, to concern yourself with such queries, the very fact that you do makes you special.

The best advice that I have to give you is to stay curious and not let yourself get lost in the vast gradient of existence. There's no hope to answer all these questions or any of them, for that matter, but that does not mean that they should not be asked or thought upon. Intellectual exercises like these have served countless minds throughout the centuries and have helped to facilitate an equal amount of breakthroughs across just as many disciplines. It is often from the most mind-numbing of pursuits that the most exquisite fruits of humanity have been born. So keep your head up

As others have mentioned, I think you'll find yourself amongst 'friends' here at DreamViews and I encourage you to post and comment as you feel necessary about any thoughts or questions that you might have. It rarely hurts to have a second or third opinon to contemplate when considering a matter.

I think many posters have reflected on the fact already that its very natural to have these thoughts.
I'm one of those who think its very good to have thoughts like these.

To be honest, no one knows why we're here and why we do the things we do. Sometimes i think our purpose is to find our purpose. If that makes sense.

In my opinion, intelligence and value is not dictated by wealth and pure ability. We should be judged on our willingness to perceive and decipher the world around us, and within us. That is why asking yourself these questions is so important. They lead you to question things, which leads you to learn more every day, about yourself and about life and the universe.

Dont feel bad or get down about questions like these, persue them and grow.

Thats my view.

Originally Posted by DreamingAway

Excuse me? Where exactly did I point out that I was "special"?

Seriously, if you're up for a fight, argument or anything, I haven't gotten here for that. I'm not saying I'm special. Meh. >_> If you don't like this then why post at all? Go and find something useful to read, then.

Thanks to everyone for their answer~

I'm sorry, I should have posted with more constructive criticism rather than simply snapping at you. it just irked me that the IP was all about "this is me and how I think" and a heap of questions and observations that have been asked/made countless times in many different ways. it came off self-centered to me, maybe you just don't realize it?

maybe you didn't specifically say anywhere in the post "I'm special," but essentially, in so many words, you pretty much said "I'm special because I question everything while so many others take it all for granted." instead of posing any real philosophical questions, you've basically invited everyone to pat you and each other on the back.

I mean, look at bodhisattva's reply. if you'll notice, he's contradicted himself, by first saying that (basically) "plenty of people think this way" and then "you're special". but, certainly he'd like to think that he's special too? (also, how did I imply that you are alone in having these thoughts, as he said? I think I implied the opposite.)

look, I'm just trying to give you a fair warning. you're on the right road, you obviously have potential...I'm trying to say that you shouldn't get lost in a bunch of shallow opinions and fluff, and focus on actually learning something, because there is a lot to learn. maybe I was wrong, maybe you're just young and I'm old and jaded and a little pessimistic...maybe you just feel like you're alone (I can relate, I live in the south and I often feel like I'm surrounded by idiots... :|) all I'm trying to say is, I hope you realize, that these are very basic questions, and you're only barely beginning to break the surface. and of course, as I'm sure you realize now, you're not alone at all.

I guess that is what you were trying to establish...I re-read your post and I can see that now. I'm sorry for snapping at you. :(

you know what, I think I just mistook you for one of those pretentious people who think they're so "deep" because they "like philosophy" and "question reality." it's a pet peeve of mine, and I've just been so irritated at fake people like that lately. I hope you can forgive me?

well, I can see where rotting teeth is coming from... the OP could be percieved as such... but it would seem that he/she is genuinely asking these questions. And you know what? So what if the OP is saying he/she's 'special'... what difference does it make to you? I understand where you're coming from but just chill out, and let the thread take it's course. Let's pretend that the OP is doing exactly what you say, why should it anger you? Everyone has intentions, and a certan 'momentum' that carries through what they're saying... and if you let it get to you then they've accomplished what they want, and you're being controlled... just let it be

edit: hey, just read your most recent post... and I can relate to what you feel. When I was in highschool, there were so many kids that tryed to feel 'special' and s**t. They'd act depressed, or constantly ask 'philosophical' questions about s**t and pretend like they think they're the first to do it... pisses me off too.

rottingteeth, judging by your "pet peeve" you think in terms of superiority and inferiority as far as possession of data is concerned.

But you're wrong to think that collecting data from books makes you better than others. All you imagine to know is borrowed data, and anybody at all who has an ability to read can read the same books as you. It's no big feat. I'm not saying that we shouldn't ever read anything and only think on our own, I'm saying that to compare your own worth to that of others by how much data you've passively collected is ridiculous. Anybody can read and memorize. In this respect you and those pretentious people you talk about are even, both sides argue their own superiority.

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

maybe you just don't realize it?

Judging by the other responses, I think it's just you.

oh god as much as I want to explain why all the last posts are completely- listen: I apologized. several times. let's drop it.

If I were you, the next thing that I would do is to go through all the stuff. All of your material possessions.

The modern man has tons of 'junk'. Books you'll never read. Clothes you never wear. Items here and there that you only look at once a year, or even less.

Do you use it? Do you need it or want it? If you don't it. Give it away. Donate it. Or recycle it.

Not only do people take their material possessions for granted, it's also thrown away mindlessly. Without any thought if it can benefit someone else. Without any thought if the earth can replace the precious material in the item that you are throwing away.

This isn't just about saving the environment

Everything we do is a reflection of ourselves. Cleaning out your room of all the stuff you don't need, it's a mental process. It's like getting rid of old thoughts, or an old way of being.

If everything is energy, even a way of life, then make room for new energy.

No, I agree that the OP sounded arrogant in her post.

I'm pretty sure you probably don't understand half of what I said,

Saying we don't understand, whether the intention was to point out that the OP did not give enough information to allow us to understand or that we lack intelligence to understand, is incredibly condescending.

*sigh* Okay. So, I'm not arrogant, I don't think I'm better than anyone, I don't think I'm superior, and I don't even use the terms "superiority" and "inferiority". I wasn't stating that I'm special, nor was I implying it in any way.

My post didn't mean to shout that I'm better than everyone else because I think this way. It just meant to state some of my doubts and questions on this world. I guess I was mistaken when I thought that people would concentrate more on the questions and the points I set instead of search for hints that make me seem like an arrogant, "special" bully.

And, Black Eagle, no. I didn't mean that at all in my post. I said that because the way I wrote what I wrote was confusing, and it seemed confusing to myself, mostly because I couldn't explain my thoughts well enough. I wasn't indicating that the rest of you are not intelligent enough to read it. Meh.

Well, I'm sorry. I thought I'd start a discussion on the philosophical questions that had been bothering me, and listen to other's thoughts on them, -because I'm positive that's what this board was created for-, but instead I get criticized on my character. It was my fault coming back after all. I'm not looking for someone to praise me. If I wanted to get that, I assure you I would look for a place elsewhere. I cannot simply talk about the way I think outside the internet, because I'm insecure when it comes to this kind of thoughts and questions, so I thought internet was a better place. But well, I guess not.

I'm sorry, I should have posted with more constructive criticism rather than simply snapping at you. it just irked me that the IP was all about "this is me and how I think" and a heap of questions and observations that have been asked/made countless times in many different ways. it came off self-centered to me, maybe you just don't realize it?

maybe you didn't specifically say anywhere in the post "I'm special," but essentially, in so many words, you pretty much said "I'm special because I question everything while so many others take it all for granted." instead of posing any real philosophical questions, you've basically invited everyone to pat you and each other on the back.

I mean, look at bodhisattva's reply. if you'll notice, he's contradicted himself, by first saying that (basically) "plenty of people think this way" and then "you're special". but, certainly he'd like to think that he's special too? (also, how did I imply that you are alone in having these thoughts, as he said? I think I implied the opposite.)

look, I'm just trying to give you a fair warning. you're on the right road, you obviously have potential...I'm trying to say that you shouldn't get lost in a bunch of shallow opinions and fluff, and focus on actually learning something, because there is a lot to learn. maybe I was wrong, maybe you're just young and I'm old and jaded and a little pessimistic...maybe you just feel like you're alone (I can relate, I live in the south and I often feel like I'm surrounded by idiots... ) all I'm trying to say is, I hope you realize, that these are very basic questions, and you're only barely beginning to break the surface. and of course, as I'm sure you realize now, you're not alone at all.

I guess that is what you were trying to establish...I re-read your post and I can see that now. I'm sorry for snapping at you.

you know what, I think I just mistook you for one of those pretentious people who think they're so "deep" because they "like philosophy" and "question reality." it's a pet peeve of mine, and I've just been so irritated at fake people like that lately. I hope you can forgive me?

First off, I never said I'm the only one who thinks that way. I know that a lot of people think this way, and that almost any human to have walked on Earth has once questioned themselves on their existence and its purpose. It's a natural thing to do. I was just stating that, even though, it's much easier to let go of a lot of these questions and focus on life the way it is, without trying to doubt every single thing and lose so much energy while doing so, I've found out that I just can't seem to be able to let life flow easily without being bothered by these constant questions. It might not be obvious that I wanted to say that, so I'm sorry.

And really, losing a lot of your energy on these questions isn't healthy, and isn't always good. Therefore, it doesn't even give me a reason to "brag about being special", but that's not what I was trying to do in the first place. I was trying to be open about my views on the world, something I can only do on the internet, but I've regretted doing so now. I thought that maybe I could discuss with people on this matter, and the questions that keep on appearing, because in all honesty, I couldn't dream of discussing that with any family member, friend, or anything. Not because I think they're less intelligent than me, not in any way, but because I'm sure that they'll either think I'm on drugs and exaggerating, or that they'll just talk a bit and then say "Whatever". It has happened before, so, it isn't impossible for it to happen agan. I know I'm not special, anyway. I'm not looking for someone to tell me that I am. If I were "special", then I wouldn't have failed at so many things already.

My life isn't dependant on philosophy. I love philosophy, and I read philosophical books simply because I'm interested on the subject, not because I want to make myself feel smart and superior to others. It's like a hobby, you could say. I'm not "deep", or anything, I just like to look deeper into things, not meaning that I'll call anyone who doesn't an idiot. I have other interests other than philosophy, I just focused upon it now because that's what the board is for, to discuss philosophy. Yes, I question reality, but I never said that others don't, and that that makes me better than them. Actually, like I said, I'm almost sure 99% of humans have once asked themselves at least one of these questions, once in their lives. I'm just letting the whole thing get to me way too much, and that is why I made this post. And well, sure. ^ ^

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

No, I agree that the OP sounded arrogant in her post.



Saying we don't understand, whether the intention was to point out that the OP did not give enough information to allow us to understand or that we lack intelligence to understand, is incredibly condescending.

Lol black eagle. You know, people who aren't very self confident might say that because they're worried they aren't going to be understood, which isn't an attack at somebodies intelligence, but is in fact taking the blame for anything on themselves. It's rather ironic you'd take that exact statement as a proof of arrogance while it's the exact opposite. Not judging, just informing you.

I on the other hand, do feel like the majority of the population is stupid. Anyway... since no specific question was posed, all I can say is that I understand what the OP is talking about.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Lol black eagle. You know, people who aren't very self confident might say that because they're worried they aren't going to be understood, which isn't an attack at somebodies intelligence, but is in fact taking the blame for anything on themselves. It's rather ironic you'd take that exact statement as a proof of arrogance while it's the exact opposite. Not judging, just informing you.

I on the other hand, do feel like the majority of the population is stupid. Anyway... since no specific question was posed, all I can say is that I understand what the OP is talking about.

I know, I stated that if the OP felt she did not give enough information and made that statement, that that particular choice of words still sounded condescending. Initially I did feel a bit insulted by her post, but I was confused because of her choice of words. After reading through a bit more, I found that this was not the case.

I'm just saying, I understand why somebody would feel insulted by her post and don't blame rottenteeth for his initial post.

someone agreed? with...me? this can only mean one thing THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH

+runs for cover+ everyone! repent before it's too late!