Brilliant thread! I love this stuff. I like your axiom. I'll try to tear some holes in it but am unable to at the moment. My thinking is similar pertaining to an axiomatic system of law. I really don't know why we don't have one already. |
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Brilliant thread! I love this stuff. I like your axiom. I'll try to tear some holes in it but am unable to at the moment. My thinking is similar pertaining to an axiomatic system of law. I really don't know why we don't have one already. |
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What kind of punishments would you use for those that break the law? Obviously, any kind of imprisonment would violate your individual's rights axiom. You also would not be able to run a draft system if the utopian society should come to conflict with another power, and be unable to tax residents should the economic system of choice be capitalistic. Unless the central government has the power to violate the axiom for purposes of keeping itself running, and keeping criminals punished, the only solution I can see is to use a socialistic society, modeled after the Marxist ideal of no big government. |
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198.726% of people will not realize that this percentage is impossible given what we are measuring. If you enjoy eating Monterey Jack cheese, put this in your sig and add 3^4i to the percentage listed.
Good thread |
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The wise ones fashioned speech with their thought, sifting it as grain is sifted through a sieve. ~ Buddha
How would your axiom apply to children? Is there an age of legally recognized "adulthood"? |
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A place with economic needs and a legal system is not a Utopia. A perfect place would have no need for work and strife, just happiness. I don't understand how we are suppose to discuss a place that is literally impossible with the human condition. It's no different then talking about "heaven" so to speak. Socialism...Communism....Democracy, whatever political system it may be, is all a effort at perfect order with respect to the individual. |
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I cannot think of perfect world where laws and religion do exist. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
utopia in my opinion |
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I think that moving towards "individual as part of a whole" is exactly the wrong direction to move in. I think we need to focus more on motivating the individual, and emphasizing individual rights. If every person takes care of themselves, no dependency on one another is necessary, and interactions don't need to be any more complex than purely social. |
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198.726% of people will not realize that this percentage is impossible given what we are measuring. If you enjoy eating Monterey Jack cheese, put this in your sig and add 3^4i to the percentage listed.
Your magical government that you feel is adequate to be practiced in a Utopian world is socialism. You go on to describe your unique policy from the subjective "I believe" rationale, and there you have it, your policy = utopia. |
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Humans will have Utopia about like lions will decide to stop attacking gazelles. I still like the idea. |
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