i personally think income tax and property tax are evil, but if i was forced to choose id take income tax over property tax. The government has no right or legitimate authority to say that it owns YOUR property |
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Well I don't want to get rid of just income tax, I also want to get rid of social security tax. The combined hit from social security and income tax can be up to 50 percent of your pay, and that is for people down at the bottom of the tax scale! That is just ridiculous. The social security part isn't even going to any services for the vast majority of us. It aptly named social security because its a socialist program that redistributes wealth from the young(and often poor) to the older, while siphoning off a great deal due to inefficiency. Politicians don't even pretend its for our benefit anymore, everyone knows there isn't going to be social security benefits in 40 years from now. |
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i personally think income tax and property tax are evil, but if i was forced to choose id take income tax over property tax. The government has no right or legitimate authority to say that it owns YOUR property |
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"La bellezza del paessa di Galilei!"
Um... how does the government claim to own my property..? |
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The government claims to own your property by taking it away if you do not pay a property tax. You dont truly own your property, you're only paying rent for it as long as they bill you a percentage of your net worth every year. |
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"La bellezza del paessa di Galilei!"
Of the choices above, a mixed economy is not only the best, but the only realistic system. Anywhere more than three unrelated persons live in proximity, they will both establish resources and goals in common, and trade their property and services for agreed upon fair value. Anything resembling a Libertarian-style free market or a completely planned economy can only be established by force and maintained at great expense. It's not in the nature of markets to remain free, nor in the nature of wealth/power to remain evenly distributed, because both are prone to the human drive to seek advantage over others. A functional society needs to capitalize upon that drive, but a stable society also needs to temper it. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
If you outright own a piece of land, then there is no reason you should ever have to pay anyone. However the government will take it away from you if you do not pay property tax every year. You never really own it, your just renting it as Hercuflea pointed out. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
There is no reason it should, seeing as we pay so much in other taxes, it should cover everything. If they weren't so wasteful, its totally unneeded. |
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Yes, but see, a county is different from a state or nation. Most counties do get some assistance from the state and federal governments, but the main source of revenue for maintaining local core services comes from property tax. See how far you get telling the gas company, "But I already paid my electric bill!" |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
There is no reason they can't pay for schools and stuff with the local sales tax, which I am pretty sure is what they do. Which makes a lot more sense, anyone who is buying stuff, pays sale tax. Schools and stuff are for everyone, not just people who own a home. |
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True, there is no reason that just because there is no property tax, that there are no schools and fire stations, etc. The problem is that they are going to tell me that they own my property. And with a sales tax, even illegal aliens have to pay the tax, and seeing that there are 15 million plus of them in this country, it will generate a ton of revenue. |
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"La bellezza del paessa di Galilei!"
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Last edited by Absolute; 09-30-2009 at 02:57 AM.
-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
The government is always tight. It is set up that way. Any time they have excess money they set up new things to spend it on, and if the economy goes down at all, they come up short. Instead of cutting back the new stuff, they just raise taxes. Its an endless cycle, with government getting bigger and bigger, and we keep paying more and more. |
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Schools should all be private any way. People work much harder than otherwise when they are competing for profits. It's a fact of human nature. |
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-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
Of course schools shouldn't be exclusively private. That codemns every single child born to a poor family to a crap future. That's the exact opposite of supposed American values, and indeed my values; social mobility. I can't think of a single advanced country with such a system. |
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The government should provide vouchers to students who truly can't afford schools, and the "crap" schools would be steps above the schools existing on the "crap" level now. Privatization would not be a step back for any school. Competition would bring about enormous improvement. |
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Hm... That could actually work, but... then that leaves in the problem of how limited is the voucher? What's the cap on how much the voucher covers? |
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-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
MY thoughts: The State government should be the one doing ALL revenue collection. I mean every form of taxation needs to be done by the state government. All constitutionally grounded actions made by the federal government should be done by funds given to the federal government by the states directly, but not a direct tax on the people. |
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"La bellezza del paessa di Galilei!"
If you could provide mathematical research behind this proposition, would you mind posting it or PMing me? It could work, but I'd have to see the numbers involved. =D |
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-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
Well, there aren't really any numbers on it, because the days of the States giving the Federal Government ALL of its money are long gone, since before the civil war i believe. And i dont think the States have ever given the counties all of their money, either, but that is just the method i would use if i had my way. |
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"La bellezza del paessa di Galilei!"
How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
"...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna
Previously known as imran_p
The warped system that results from mass handouts results in a lot more people dying. If the government would interfere less economically instead of more, the economy would be so much better that most people could afford health insurance and the ones who can't could be taken care of by volunteer organizations. Capitalism benefits a nation as a whole. Socialism decays it. |
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Mixed economy , simple for me to vote for that.... |
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