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      The Subjective

      # taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment"
      # immanent: of a mental act performed entirely within the mind; "a cognition is an immanent act of mind"
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      Our greatest friend/foe?

      What do I mean?

      Not to digress into causality, objectivisim, (Do cite if they support his/her argument), I would like to prompt the scenario:

      Life without subjectivity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreams4free View Post
      # taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment"
      # immanent: of a mental act performed entirely within the mind; "a cognition is an immanent act of mind"
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      Our greatest friend/foe?

      What do I mean?

      Not to digress into causality, objectivisim, (Do cite if they support his/her argument), I would like to prompt the scenario:

      Life without subjectivity.

      I find "subjective" to be obfuscating.

      I like to say either "mind-dependent", or "mind-independent". When you replace subjective or objective with these terms loads of stuff becomes one hell of a lot clearer.


      SO "life without subjectivity", all this in effect means, is life without a mind, for a mind guarantees "Subjectivity".

      And life without a mind? Sure why not, I'm pretty sure there are some things like that, amoebas and stuff.

      See it's all so simple :3

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      Quote Originally Posted by Carôusoul View Post
      I find "subjective" to be obfuscating.

      I like to say either "mind-dependent", or "mind-independent". When you replace subjective or objective with these terms loads of stuff becomes one hell of a lot clearer.


      SO "life without subjectivity", all this in effect means, is life without a mind, for a mind guarantees "Subjectivity".

      And life without a mind? Sure why not, I'm pretty sure there are some things like that, amoebas and stuff.

      See it's all so simple :3
      "Life without a mind"

      These would be strong words in a religious debate XD

      anyhow,

      what about the idea of a mind coming from no mind?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreams4free View Post
      "Life without a mind"

      These would be strong words in a religious debate XD

      anyhow,

      what about the idea of a mind coming from no mind?
      What do you mean?

      What we do know, is that the existence of the mind is correlated strongly with the brain. So we could go so far as to say the mind is the process performed by the brain. Tricky words to talk about, but if we accept that, then clearly a mind would come from the evolution of a brain.

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      "Life without a mind"

      Well, animals and plant, especially plants. They are both living and they probably don't have a mind, depending what you believe, but I don't think catholics believe dogs and lions go to hell or heaven so its pretty clear what they believe in to me.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreams4free View Post

      Life without subjectivity.
      I have no idea what that could even be! Even a worm thinks subjectively that all reality is dirt.

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      Since everything is contextualized by subjectivity, a life without subjectivity is non-existent, or rather, impossible.

      There is a subjective context, which is like awareness and is undefinable, and then there is subjective content - which is the describable information and perceptions of the mind.

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