Oh, we could still use money as a convenient form of trade for goods and services. Just not the fictional currency backed by debt that we now have. |
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I admit, I was playing devil's advocate above... |
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198.726% of people will not realize that this percentage is impossible given what we are measuring. If you enjoy eating Monterey Jack cheese, put this in your sig and add 3^4i to the percentage listed.
Oh, we could still use money as a convenient form of trade for goods and services. Just not the fictional currency backed by debt that we now have. |
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198.726% of people will not realize that this percentage is impossible given what we are measuring. If you enjoy eating Monterey Jack cheese, put this in your sig and add 3^4i to the percentage listed.
Why should there be money at all? Did anybody read my idea? I'm talkin' about robots doing all the hard work while humans pursue intellectual interests, etc. If anyone could get whatever they wanted (within reason, and could, provided the population was small enough), money would become obsolete. |
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I beg to differ. Technology will eventually free us from our mortality. Eventually, nobody will ever die. |
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Exactly: a technotopia can exist, just not in the real world. Hence fiction. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
Let me hit you with this : What makes a perfect society is a matter of personal opinion. Therefore, there can be no perfect society due to the conflicting interests of the people. |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
We're not saying that people would be completely incapable of dying, we're just saying that we could turn off aging and natural diseases, so that people could waltz right out of life whenever they pleased. I highly doubt anyone would want to live forever, so there would still be death. It would still be a part of us (and we could all get hit by a bus tomorrow; that hasn't changed), it's just a part we now have much more control over. |
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Why can't lions just stop attacking gazelles? No matter how much we talk about it, peace is not part of the general nature of lions. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Ah, but humans are beings that can think, feel, and make decisions. It is instinct for the lion to kill, but humans have a choice in the matter. |
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Yes, but we are humans. We don't need to attack other humans. We have been taught and conditioned that humans are violent by nature. But we are not. Conflicts happen because of greed or need. We have the resources and know how to eliminate need. And we would just need to teach people and condition people that we are inherently friendly and loving. With all needs satisfied people just need to be educated. |
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Singularitarianism sounds like a very bad idea. |
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I beg to disagree. We are humans. That is the core reason why there will always be people who disagree with rest of the society. Animals very rarely do, because they trust their survival instinct, as being member of the pack. The difference is that we can think a lot better, we have more capability of evaluating situations and that means we can understand that for our race, living in a pack isn't necessary. This leads us to conclusion that we don't have to be caring or loving, since they exist only to strenghten the bonds within the social group i.e pack. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
A lion killing a gazelle is different than a human killing a human. |
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Not for me. Killing is killing, taking life of someone else. Ending their existence. Humans are not exception. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
That is why I think in an Utopia we should have small sustainable, self sufficient city-states. |
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It is not so much that we need to move away from a money-based economy as that we need to move away from a system that requires money. This is a system based on sectional or class ownership of the productive resources of society by a tiny minority forcing the majority into a life of wage slavery |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
Which is,however, impossible , since great amount of little communities will eventually fall to fight with each other. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
But if you were there you would be safe. I mean it. It is safe. Even in the small town I live in now I have to avoid certain neighborhoods, I have to watch my back at night, and if I was a woman I would not go home alone. But for Tokyo, which is huge, none of that applies. Call me naive, but I was there. I didn't understand the whole money exchange thing and how much a yen was worth etc., but I never even had to worry or even count the change I was given. |
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What we must be careful of is seeking to build a utopia, only to build a dystopia. See Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley. |
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