Yes, but not a perception of sound. |
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Is this like Schrödinger's Cat? |
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Yes, but not a perception of sound. |
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Last edited by Universal Mind; 04-07-2010 at 05:31 AM.
How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
You can arbitrarily say how old or new things are, how long things last, etc. This is a limited view. It's a projection of the perception of time. |
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Aaah!!! A universe without consciousness is not a universe at all! Imagine if a whole universe existed and died without ever once having life anywhere at all in it. And all the matter and energy got crunched back into before the big bang and there was no trace of it and no perception ever of it. Would it have existed? Or would it have been only a potential dream undreamed? |
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The past is less imaginary than the future? From any perspective of existing, causes will be manifold--infinite, under any serious consideration--while effects will seem constrained. This effect is only from facing out into the event horizon from where you are now, a condition that exists for every being, but only every being, in an infinite universe. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
If you think we are part of the universe, then saying that the universe carrys on without us implies that we were separate from it. That is no different than saying planets are minuscule. "Look at how many planets there are! When that planet dies, the rest will carry on without it." It's only a limited perspective of the universe. Life and death are part of the universe. It's all the same. That doesn't negate the importance of meaning in the bigger picture. |
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Taosaur, how old is the universe? You are playing dodgeball. |
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I know. I am saying so what, basically. It's just a perspective. |
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Then tell me about the effects the extinction of humanity would have on the galaxies in that picture I posted. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
For all 'lly's "fluffiness" in communicating his position, I can't deny his essentially accurate vision. While your 14 billion years are accurate within the context that they have meaning, that context is wholly dependent upon where we fix the present moment, and by what means. No means that we can employ are independent of consciousness--our consciousness, specifically. There are no objects within a universe without observers, no past and no future. The physical does not supersede the experiential; to favor it is merely a bias. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
You are talking about analysis of time again. I know that a human or other intelligent being is necessary for calling something the present and talking about the past. That is beside the point. The present is what it is and the past was what it was even if we never recognize it. The universe is about 13.5 billion years old, and humans have existed for about 100,000 years. That means the universe existed for many billions of years without humans. Did it not? |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
There would be very little "effects", but you cannot say that if there were no humans than it wouldn't change anything. Remember that the scope through which you're observing the universe is the scope of meaning that you will comprehend. |
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Okay, I will admit to being rather confused right now. What exactly is it that we're debating here? I certainly understand that we're relatively insignificant compared to the rest of the universe, by sheer amount of volume and range of effect. Nothing we do can physically effect what goes on halfway across the universe, at least with current technology. I understand this. Yes, the universe was around before us, and will go on after us. |
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I'm backing up because you're misunderstanding our position at a pretty fundamental level, here. 'lly and I are not talking about analysis of or symbolic reasoning about time. When we talk about observation or experience, it's not something happening in or to the universe, separate from it; observation or experience is the process that generates the local appearance of solid forms relating in space and time. The universe is not, in any fixed or complete sense, a collection of masses under the influence of physical forces operating in space and time--only from our incomplete perspective. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
No, I do not think the hallucination would persist. The universe would. Our fuzzy understanding and questionable observation of it would be gone. IT would not. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
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