Thread: "New Maps of Hyperspace"

Originally Posted by hgld1234

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I suggest that it is much more useful to try to make a geometric model of consciousness, to take seriously the idea of a parallel continuum, and to say that the mind and the body are embedded in the dream and the dream is a higher-order spatial dimension. In sleep, one is released into the real world, of which the world of waking is only the surface in a very literal geometric sense. There is a plenum—recent experiments in quantum physics tend to back this up—a holographic plenum of information. All information is everywhere. Information that is not here is nowhere. Information stands outside of time in a kind of eternity—an eternity that does not have a temporal existence about which one may say, “It always existed.” It does not have temporal duration of any sort. It is eternity. We are not primarily biological, with mind emerging as a kind of iridescence, a kind of epiphenomenon at the higher levels of organization of biology. We are hyperspatial objects of some sort that cast a shadow into matter. The shadow in matter is our physical organism.

A complete mind-fuck! Everything he says and writes is so damn trippy / mind boggling. Anymore?

The whole article is a mindfuck, that's the fun

This brings up an interesting idea, and that is the idea of acessing this hyperspace from the dream state. Now THAT would be a mindfuck.

Completely and utterly meaningless. A bunch of esoteric sounding words designed to confuse into subordination, placed in a syntactically correct order. Nothing more.

Unless somebody wants to explain to me precisely what 'consciousness is a higher spacial dimension' even means. Extra spacial dimensions are not exotic or exciting, they just add extra directions in which physical objects can move. There's no reason for them to do anything magical which three dimensions cannot.

They don't do anything "magical". That's not the point.

Originally Posted by Supernova

I suggest that it is much more useful to try to make a geometric model of consciousness, to take seriously the idea of a parallel continuum, and to say that the mind and the body are embedded in the dream and the dream is a higher-order spatial dimension. In sleep, one is released into the real world, of which the world of waking is only the surface in a very literal geometric sense. There is a plenum—recent experiments in quantum physics tend to back this up—a holographic plenum of information. All information is everywhere. Information that is not here is nowhere. Information stands outside of time in a kind of eternity—an eternity that does not have a temporal existence about which one may say, “It always existed.” It does not have temporal duration of any sort. It is eternity. We are not primarily biological, with mind emerging as a kind of iridescence, a kind of epiphenomenon at the higher levels of organization of biology. We are hyperspatial objects of some sort that cast a shadow into matter. The shadow in matter is our physical organism.

This reminds me of something interesting my dream imprinted in my memory other day... "In order to be real anywhere, someone must be dreaming something somewhere."

Originally Posted by Supernova

They don't do anything "magical". That's not the point.

It seems to me that that is exactly is point. 'Dreams are higher order spacial dimensions'... well, they're certainly not the ordinary 3 spacial dimensions, which are just something we move around in and have no inherent relevance to dreams, so he's saying that other spacial dimensions are somehow special.

He's putting fancy words together in an attempt to intimidate or confuse people into agreeing with him, but they don't actually have any meaning at all when you try to explain what he means.

I swear I hadn't heard the word 'plenum' once in all my 19 years on this planet.

Main Entry: ple·num
Pronunciation: \ˈple-nəm, ˈplē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Latin, neuter of plenus
Date: 1678
1 a : a space or all space every part of which is full of matter Main Entry: ple·num b : an air-filled space in a structure; especially : one that receives air from a blower for distribution (as in a ventilation system)
2 : a general assembly of all members especially of a legislative body
3 : the quality or state of being full

I'll admit, I hadn't heard it before either. At the least, he does have a confusing way of conveying ideas.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

This reminds me of something interesting my dream imprinted in my memory other day... "In order to be real anywhere, someone must be dreaming something somewhere."

Hmm, that's interesting.

I'll admit, I hadn't heard it before either. At the least, he does have a confusing way of conveying ideas.

Yeah, I looked it up too. Maybe I'll use it when I want to impress somebody. But this really just illustrates my point; there's no reason he couldn't use pedestrian words like 'continuous space' or something. His goal seems more to obfuscate than to explain, and when you try to extricate it you find you are left with nothing of substance at all. How can information have a geometric form? Why does being higher order help? Why doesn't he explain the supposed 'evidence' from quantum physics? In fact, why doesn't he explain or give any kind of indication about how he knows these things or what they actually mean? If he did this would be philosophy. As he doesn't it is nothing.

I skimmed it. The ending conclusion is that he predicts humans will enter hyperspace, a different description for transcendence, in 2012. Sounds kind of like the Matrix, which physical reality or the physics of our physical reality melts away. Basically, the philosopher's stone and other crazy things we imagine about become real, which right now they are just precursors of the future because they aren't just ideas but anticipation for somehow us knowing them to come about. I think he is giving a different take on imagination, the construct of reality, and how the two interact.

From just skimming, seems kind of interesting. I'll read the whole thing in the next couple of days.

Supernova, have you read it yet?

Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis

I skimmed it. The ending conclusion is that he predicts humans will enter hyperspace, a different description for transcendence, in 2012. Sounds kind of like the Matrix, which physical reality or the physics of our physical reality melts away. Basically, the philosopher's stone and other crazy things we imagine about become real, which right now they are just precursors of the future because they aren't just ideas but anticipation for somehow us knowing them to come about. I think he is giving a different take on imagination, the construct of reality, and how the two interact.

From just skimming, seems kind of interesting. I'll read the whole thing in the next couple of days.

Supernova, have you read it yet?

Yes, I posted it here just after having read it myself.

Just another semi-metaphorical way of looking at things.