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      7th Heaven

      And no, I'm not talking about the TV show...
      What do you think about the last heaven, the last dimension of heaven, the highest heaven of all heavens???

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      What are you talking about and what is the evidence for it?
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      if you believe in it i would like your opinion. i've heard psychics talk about it, it's in the Bible (although i personally don't believe in it). Anyway, I was wondering what other's thought or know of it...

      they say there are many planes or realms of existence in heaven. Maybe it's not called seven heaven with the number 7. Maybe it has a name (angelic realm or god-head realm). it is the highest plane of existence and may be in another higher dimension in heaven.

      i have no physical proof of it though... You must be one of those hardcore aetheist... true?
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      Um, could you quote some of the sources which talk about this?

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      Quote Originally Posted by petersonad View Post
      if you believe in it i would like your opinion. i've heard psychics talk about it, it's in the Bible (although i personally don't believe in it). Anyway, I was wondering what other's thought or know of it...

      they say there are many planes or realms of existence in heaven. Maybe it's not called seven heaven with the number 7. Maybe it has a name (angelic realm or god-head realm). it is the highest plane of existence and may be in another higher dimension in heaven.

      i have no physical proof of it though... You must be one of those hardcore aetheist... true?
      Nope, I just only believe in something if I know what it is and I'm given a reason to believe it. Pretty nuts, I know. A hardcore atheist is I suppose somebody who has no doubt that there is no God... that's not me, I just have no belief in a God; but this thread isn't really about what I think.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zebrah View Post
      Um, could you quote some of the sources which talk about this?
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      Xei is only here to ruin your thread. You will gain nothing from replying to him.
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      Don't mind Seroquel, he's a bit butthurt about this whole Enlightenment thing that Socrates started. Back in the good old days you could make any old crap up without having to hear horrible conscience-nagging questions like 'what are your reasons for thinking this'.

      Get the fuck out of the philosophy forum Seroquel. Seriously, you have no clue what it even is.
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      I clicked on the link then saw Sylvia Browns name, I subsequently clicked the little X button on the top of the tab.

      But what does the "highest plane of existence" mean exactly?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Don't mind Seroquel, he's a bit butthurt about this whole Enlightenment thing that Socrates started. Back in the good old days you could make any old crap up without having to hear horrible conscience-nagging questions like 'what are your reasons for thinking this'.

      Get the fuck out of the philosophy forum Seroquel. Seriously, you have no clue what it even is.
      You don't know me, so please stop making assumptions.
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      Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
      I clicked on the link then saw Sylvia Browns name, I subsequently clicked the little X button on the top of the tab.

      But what does the "highest plane of existence" mean exactly?
      Well, I don't think she is the best psychic out there. But it just gives the idea "what if there is another dimension of heaven in heaven. They say that there are different planes of existence in the metaphysical world: the etheric, the astral, mental plane, etc. and the higher you go there scenery is more perfect and beautiful. I'm not saying that all this is a fact, but it gets my curiosity and imagination going...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seroquel View Post
      You don't know me, so please stop making assumptions.
      What assumptions? I know you called me a troll when all I had done was asked 'what is this and why do you think it?'. My response was not to any other mindblowing personal traits of yours, just this particular ridiculous action.

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      Aside from the view that there is a "one" heaven as depicted by most religions, relatively to earthly reality that might be seen as sufferring or purgatorial, we can expand further on that: If heaven is defined as a reality of good and wonderful things, we could say that there are many different levels of heaven, some that we even already know about.

      Because of this, there is arguably infinite dimensions of heaven, and there would be no such "highest" heaven, just as there is no single "hottest temperature" or "highest height" in the universe. In the high heavens you have yet to go higher and higher. "The sky is the limit" is really a perfect analogy, if we can understand how heaven means high altitude, yet how "high" and "low" are only relative adjectives.

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      I think it's right here, but you probably meant to post this in Inner sanctum, people might respond a little more positively there.
      157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.

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      Quote Originally Posted by petersonad View Post
      And no, I'm not talking about the TV show...
      What do you think about the last heaven, the last dimension of heaven, the highest heaven of all heavens???
      Nirvana.

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      Well if we bring Buddhism into this there are a lot more then 7

      Buddhist cosmology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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      Yes, 33, infact the highest is ruled by King Sakka. He means the highest dimension of heaven, though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by petersonad View Post
      And no, I'm not talking about the TV show...
      What do you think about the last heaven, the last dimension of heaven, the highest heaven of all heavens???
      It's in my crotch. At least, that's what I tell the ladies. It works like 25% of the time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddha View Post
      Yes, 33, infact the highest is ruled by King Sakka. He means the highest dimension of heaven, though.
      Heaven is pretty far below nirvana, isn't it? You got the form realms and the formless realms. I thought heaven referred to the collection of planes in the highest vibrations of the desire realms.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      Heaven is pretty far below nirvana, isn't it? You got the form realms and the formless realms. I thought heaven referred to the collection of planes in the highest vibrations of the desire realms.
      True. Again we are not talking about Buddhist cosmology here. He means something totally different then what you or I mean.

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      After the fifth initiation the man is perfected, though he may, if he will, take two further initiations.

      To achieve the sixth initiation the Adept has to take a very intensive course in planetary occultism. A Master wields the law in the three worlds, whilst a Chohan of the sixth initiation wields the law in the chain on all levels; a Chohan of the seventh initiation wields the law in the solar system.

      It will be apparent that, should he search these subjects with application, the student will find much that concerns him personally, even though the ceremony itself may be far ahead. By the study of the process and the purpose he may become aware of the great fundamental fact that the method of initiation is the method of:

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      Force realisation.

      2: Force application.

      3: Force utilisation.

      The initiate of every degree, from the humble initiate of the first degree, making for the first time his contact with a certain type of specialised force, up to the seventh degree, is dealing with energy of some kind or other. The stages of development of the aspirant might be expressed as follows:

      1: He has to become aware, through discrimination, of the energy or force of his own lower self.

      3: He has to impose upon that energetic rhythm one that is higher, until that lower rhythm is superseded by the higher, and the old method of expressing energy dies out entirely.

      3: He then is permitted, by gradually expanding realisations, to contact and—under guidance—to employ certain forms of group energy, until the time comes when he is in a position scientifically to wield planetary force. The length of time taken over his final stage is entirely dependent upon the progress he makes in the service of his race and in the development of those powers of the soul which are the natural sequence of spiritual unfoldment.

      The application of the Rod of Initiation at the first two initiations by the Bodhisattva enables the initiate to control and utilise the force of the lower self, the true sanctified energy of the personality in service; at the third initiation the application of the Rod by the One Initiator makes available in a vastly more extensive manner the force of the higher self or Ego, and brings into play on the physical plane the entire energy stored up during numerous incarnations in the causal vehicle. At the fourth initiation the energy of his egoic group becomes his to use for the good of planetary evolution, and at the fifth initiation the force or energy of the planet (esoterically understood, and not merely the force or energy of the material globe) is at his disposal. During these five initiations those two great beings, the Bodhisattva first, and then the One Initiator, the Lord of the World, Sanat Kumara, are the administrators or hierophants. After these ceremonies, should the initiate choose to take the two final initiations which it is possible to take in this solar system, a still higher type of energy in expression of the One Self comes into play, and can only be hinted at. At the seventh initiation that One of Whom Sanat Kumara is the manifestation, the Logos of our scheme on His own plane, becomes the Hierophant. At the sixth initiation the expression of this Existence on an intermediate plane, a Being Who must at present remain nameless, wields the Rod and administers the oath and secret. In these three expressions of hierarchical government—Sanat Kumara on the periphery of the three worlds, the Nameless One on the confines of the high planes of human evolution, and the planetary Spirit himself at the final stage—we have the three great manifestations of the Planetary Logos Himself. Through the Planetary Logos at the final great initiation flows the power of the Solar Logos, and He it is Who reveals to the initiate that the Absolute is consciousness in its fullest expression, though at the stage of human existence the Absolute must be regarded as unconsciousness.

      Each of the great initiations is but the synthesis of the smaller ones, and only as man seeks ever to expand his consciousness in the affairs of daily life can he expect to achieve those later stages which are but culminations of the many earlier. Students must get rid of the idea that if they are "very good and altruistic" suddenly some day they will stand before the Great Lord. They are putting effect before cause. Goodness and altruism grow out of realisation and service, and holiness of character is the outcome of those expansions of consciousness which a man brings about within himself through strenuous effort and endeavour. Therefore it is here and now that man can prepare himself for initiation, and this he does, not by dwelling upon the ceremonial aspect, as so many do in excited anticipation, but by working systematically and enduringly at the steady development of the mental body, by the strenuous and arduous process of controlling the astral body so that it becomes responsive to three vibrations:

      1: That from the Ego.

      2: That from the Master.

      3: Those from his brothers everywhere around him. He becomes sensitive to the voice of his higher self, thus working off karma under the intelligent guidance of his own Ego. He becomes conscious, via the Ego, of the vibration emanating from his Master; he learns to feel it ever more and more, and to respond to it ever more fully; finally, he becomes increasingly sensitive to the joys and pains and sorrows of those he daily contacts; he feels them to be his joys and pains and sorrows, and yet he is not incapacitated thereby.
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