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      I disagree. If you look the word up in a common dictionary you will see that I used the word properly.

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      Either way atheist claim of not being a faith is not true. Everything takes belief whether you like it or not. You may believe Zeus doesn't exist however strong it maybe you also believe that the chair you are sitting won't vanish into thin air. People just like to "assume" these things and forget that it all takes belief.....it always does.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
      Either way atheist claim of not being a faith is not true. Everything takes belief whether you like it or not. You may believe Zeus doesn't exist however strong it maybe you also believe that the chair you are sitting won't vanish into thin air. People just like to "assume" these things and forget that it all takes belief.....it always does.
      Don't you believe Zeus doesn't exist? Welcome to atheism.

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      I just wanna say I think its funny that NO A negativehas become a neutral thing
      Common ground
      Now people are speaking for things they can not
      There is a definition for the term atheism
      And for theism
      Look em up
      The topic has strayed far from what it was originally

      Is atheism a faith?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Don't you believe Zeus doesn't exist? Welcome to atheism.
      No way I'm no atheist. Besides that's dumb Zeus wasn't a true "god" he wasn't a omnipotent, omnipresence savior of all that the Father is.

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      To be atheist one must not believe in any deity

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      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      To be atheist one must not believe in any deity
      False, if you didn't know by now that "disbelief" of atheist is in fact faith. So for one to be a atheist one must BELIEVE God doesn't exist. One must believe that the "Evidence or lack their of" is true or else they aren't being truthful to themselves.

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      That isn't true. If you know something for sure, then it isn't faith.

      You normally wouldn't say you have faith in gravity. As if you have confidence that gravity will come through for you this time and pull things down. Which kind of implies that just maybe gravity will not work this one time and you will fly off into space.

      What you usually would say is that you know there is gravity. In the case of atheism you can safely say you don't believe in any versions of god put forth in religion, because its easy to verify that they don't exist.

      I don't have faith my chair isn't going to break all known laws of physics and vanish into nothingness. I know my chair isn't going to vanish. You are just using words oddly to try to make an argument that isn't really there.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
      No way I'm no atheist. Besides that's dumb Zeus wasn't a true "god" he wasn't a omnipotent, omnipresence savior of all that the Father is.
      How do you know?

      Anyway, I agree that the word "atheist" in itself is too broad to have much practical meaning, but I've always found it defined as "a lack of a belief in a deity." Because of how encompassing that is, you need qualifiers like, "strong", "weak", etc.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
      So for one to be a atheist one must BELIEVE God doesn't exist. One must believe that the "Evidence or lack their of" is true or else they aren't being truthful to themselves.
      No.
      I do not believe that God exists ≠ I do believe that God does not exist
      The former is weak atheism, the latter is strong atheism. The latter requires faith because it is a positive claim.
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      I don't usually think, therefore I mostly am not.
      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact that the facts "prove them wrong".
      Likewise, you cant teach some one who looks for facts to have faith in the absence of facts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      That isn't true. If you know something for sure, then it isn't faith.

      You normally wouldn't say you have faith in gravity. As if you have confidence that gravity will come through for you this time and pull things down. Which kind of implies that just maybe gravity will not work this one time and you will fly off into space.

      What you usually would say is that you know there is gravity. In the case of atheism you can safely say you don't believe in any versions of god put forth in religion, because its easy to verify that they don't exist.

      I don't have faith my chair isn't going to break all known laws of physics and vanish into nothingness. I know my chair isn't going to vanish. You are just using words oddly to try to make an argument that isn't really there.
      But nothing can truly be proven true. Objectivity isn't concrete and neither is logic. There is always the chance of 2+2=T or something. We just feel really really really strong about the laws of physics holding true.




      Quote Originally Posted by kookyinc View Post
      How do you know?

      Anyway, I agree that the word "atheist" in itself is too broad to have much practical meaning, but I've always found it defined as "a lack of a belief in a deity." Because of how encompassing that is, you need qualifiers like, "strong", "weak", etc.
      Because he isn't the Father and also he was born from something. Gods can NOT be born.

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      A true god would bake cookies for all his creations.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
      Because he [Zeus] isn't the Father and also he was born from something. Gods can NOT be born.
      How do you know? Please cite objective and verifiable sources (i.e., not a religious text).

      Do you see what I'm doing here?
      I don't usually think, therefore I mostly am not.
      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact that the facts "prove them wrong".
      Likewise, you cant teach some one who looks for facts to have faith in the absence of facts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kookyinc View Post
      How do you know? Please cite objective and verifiable sources (i.e., not a religious text).

      Do you see what I'm doing here?
      But the ONLY sources for Zeus are from Greek mythology.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
      But the ONLY sources for Zeus are from Greek mythology.
      The only sources for any god are from their respective texts or from those who already believe in them. No scientist that I have ever heard of has ever gone (with an open and unbiased mind) into a test to see if god exists and come back with a positive result. If you can find one that has proven given evidence to the existence of a certain deity without lying, jumping to conclusions, etc., please direct me there, as I would be more than happy to see it.

      But as it stands, there is no reason to believe in Zeus any more than Yahweh or Vishnu or Xenu or Santa. One may be more popular than another, but that's it. And I know you wouldn't try an argumentum ad populum.
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      I don't usually think, therefore I mostly am not.
      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact that the facts "prove them wrong".
      Likewise, you cant teach some one who looks for facts to have faith in the absence of facts.

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      Atheism is the belief that no deity of any kind exists
      if you understood the word deity you would have understood what i had said
      Only through simple semantics do i agree with you that atheism is a faith
      one must think of the following
      For religious persons their definition of faith is different
      As is it different among those who do not have religious faith
      For a religious person to say that the disbelief in any form of god or deity is indeed a faith
      then discredits their own side as faith should be a sacred/holy thing by many religious teachings

      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact, that the facts "prove them wrong."
      Like wise you cant teach some one who looks for facts to believe/ have faith in the absence of facts.
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      If you say the only source of Zeus is from Greek mythology then only source of a christian god is from christian mythology. Only difference is that people still practice christian mythology. When Zeus was thought of as a real god there was priests and scholars who spoke and wrote about him as well. Only difference between Mythology and religious is that one is no longer practiced. Wait long enough and Christianity will be referred to as mythology as well. Also the idea that nothing can ever be proven is a silly one. What you are trying to debate is philosophy, which doesn't fit into the context of this thread. Asking if we can truly ever know something is philosophical in nature. In all practical every day terms, we can prove things to be true all the time, and we do. So saying its faith doesn't make any sense.

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      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact, that the facts "prove them wrong."
      Like wise you cant teach some one who looks for facts to believe/ have faith in the absence of facts.
      Sad but true, beautifully worded, now my signature.
      I don't usually think, therefore I mostly am not.
      Quote Originally Posted by abicus View Post
      You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact that the facts "prove them wrong".
      Likewise, you cant teach some one who looks for facts to have faith in the absence of facts.

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      look at color
      would you agree that color is generated by different wave lengths of light
      would you agree that an object only exhibits the color we see
      would you agree that white consists of all colors
      now this color you see is the result of the white light hitting the object and all wave lengths being absorbed except the one in which you see
      so a object that appears red is red because that is the wave length that is reflected and not absorbed
      now a true white object reflects all VISIBLE light wave lengths
      now a true black object absorbs all visible light wave lengths
      well white is compromised of all colors as the term theist encompasses any who believe in a form of a deity
      well black absorbed all color, but wait it would have reflected a color if it was one

      black being the opposite and lack there of

      black the is not a color by definition

      black and white are opposites
      as are atheism and theism
      anti matter and matter
      protons and electrons

      these things cancel each other out

      and for one to credit the other

      destroys them both

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      do not be the theist that credits atheism or vice versa
      i am not taking sides
      just trying to see whether you want to talk semantics
      or
      if one wants to mess with a ideological paradox

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      one can not semantically and correctly discredit the godliness or deityness of a one i e Zeus by the definitions of a bias faith
      not in an argument including atheism as to atheism they all hold the same spot and general term in their perspectives

      you can however use your own faiths teachings as to ridicule the proposition of other deities; with out the inclusion of semantics and the logical thinking's of an atheist

      Food for thought:

      atheism argues all faiths that their are no true real deities are non existent
      true atheism does not argue against itself since it reaches an agreed conclusion
      however a theist must depending on their religious teachings discredit all others

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      also the negative supposition of
      "no god's/deity's exists"
      is quite in fact
      finite
      to the point
      unless there is a problem with understanding language

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      Wow abicus for someone who is not trying to argue you sure have a lot to say.

      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      It's called implicit atheism. Say, for example, I've never heard of the concept of God. It cannot be said that I believe God exists, and it cannot be said that I believe God does not exist. In addition, it cannot be said that I believe in God. But it can be said that I do not believe in God. Even something as simple as wording is important here.

      I can understand your point BLUELINE thanks for clearing that up. This sounds more like Agnosticism to me, in which to be honest, is where I believe babies are rightfully categorized. So in short, Implicit Atheism lacks the positive belief in a God thus, does not believe in a God. Can we conclude that this position would equally lack the opposite belief, that there is NOT a God?

      I'm pretty sure you've answered this already but just to confirm, feel free to entertain it.

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      Agnosticism is to advanced for a baby. If you never heard of god before, there is no reason you would consider the possibility for it. So they are atheists.

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      to ponder this have not the faculties do they

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric
      Agnosticism is to advanced for a baby. If you never heard of god before, there is no reason you would consider the possibility for it. So they are atheists.
      Agnostic lies in the realm of knowledge i.e., without knowledge can this "lack of knowledge" refer to the absence of available knowledge?

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