My hell would be not to have the ability to open my mind to see the bigger picture. To me stuck in the same thoughts without the possibility of change. |
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I was asked "why do people have conflicting views on religion?" |
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Last edited by lidybug; 11-30-2011 at 03:20 AM.
My hell would be not to have the ability to open my mind to see the bigger picture. To me stuck in the same thoughts without the possibility of change. |
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Last edited by lidybug; 11-30-2011 at 03:16 AM.
It's my point of view that your thread is bollocks and you are wrong about everything. |
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I understand where you are coming from, and I would agree that things like praying are useful and can give your guidance and help you 'connect' with the world around you. However, you made a leap of logic after that, in claiming that its all true. It might be useful, but that doesn't make it true. |
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[QUOTE=Xei;1783139]It's my point of view that your thread is bollocks and you are wrong about everything.[/QUOTEI |
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Last edited by lidybug; 11-29-2011 at 11:36 AM.
Aric, I should of edited this post better before I posted it because now I see I do sound a bit scattered and repeat myself, but I do believe all I wrote. I believe that waking reality is much like dreaming no one can say what is true for someone else. This includes aliens in the sea. Aliens have never been a part of my reality but I can't speak for someone else. I believe that all paths lead to the same destination (again I would like reafirm these r my thoughts) wether u believe in Buddha, Jesus Christ, Atheist, Goddesses........ It is all about discovery of self and existence. |
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Please do edit your posts better. I can't read that literal wall of text. |
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Well, editorial comments aside, (which actually play into what I'm about to say, in a sense), something about your points resonates with me. I do think that a majority of the ideas people express are, at a minimum, attempts at honest description of something. There may be all kinds of ways that communication fails on the part of the sender or receiver, but people are rarely flat-out lying about their perception (the internet doesn't count). Therefore, opposing and even offending views can be useful. Lots of people who are afraid of ideas have a hard time with this. |
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My point of view is that the point of view expressed in the OP is false. |
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The first statement is wrong. Truth depends on either logic or factual occurrences. Without those two things there is no such thing as truth. In logic, a statement and its antithesis cannot both be true at once. There is some circularity here in that truth depends on logic and logic is based on the assumption that some statements are true and others are false, but it is what it is. And that is why the above post makes your argument fall down. |
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Reality Check
Spoiler for lucid dream goals:
Truth is the gestalt |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
The above is my belief which can not be wrong for me but can be wrong for someone else. Like I said this is MY view. I respect everyone's perspective and would never tell someone they are wrong in what they believe! |
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Belief is a messy word, especially if you use it like that. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I get the feeling people who share this viewpoint have a sort of false dichotomy in their minds - either you're a hateful egotistical materialistic, or you're a happy 'enlightened' relativist and solipsist. |
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Ok, so what you're talking about then is strictly "subjective" truth. In other words - if someone believes something, then it's true for them, even if it's not objectively true. Example, if someone believes the moon is made of cheese, then it's true FOR THEM (ie in their fantasy world) even though it holds absolutely no objective truth. |
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Darkmatter, LOL! Yes maybe that is what isn't clear Subjective Truth or ones own "fantasy". If a delusional person honestly believes the moon is made out of cheese even if it has been proven not to be that is the individuals truth in what everyone else would consider a delusional reality. Religion is an inner journey of self discovery its unlikely that any two are the same. |
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Last edited by lidybug; 11-30-2011 at 02:24 PM.
http://youtu.be/0PjS2KYU3Is |
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By the same principle that I believe that there are real, discernible reasons for why people hold the strange beliefs that they do, I believe that there are real, discernible (and perfectly sensible) reasons for why people generally don't venture outside their comfort zones to try to understand strange beliefs to the extent that I do. In fact, both of these frameworks are telling about human nature and can be learned from. So I, at least, don't fall into that false dichotomy. |
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Last edited by IndieAnthias; 11-30-2011 at 04:52 PM.
Very well stated IndieAnthias. Yes, when I refer to all points "are" true I am referring to truth for the individual. Yes some are taking this very literally but I love the discussion and the emotion it evokes in people. Thanks for posting! |
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Ok, I guess I was taking it a bit too literally. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 11-30-2011 at 06:55 PM.
You also have to keep in mind that that's your perception of muslims from your point of view, that's not necessarily the way they are. That's the way we are led to think about them from the Western Perspective. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I never said Muslims - I said Terrorists. I'm talking about the ones who bomb embassies. But you're right - I don't necessarily know if they BELIEVE they're striking a blow against Western decadence - many of them might have much more pragmatic reasons for why they do it and only spout fanatical rhetoric as a cover. Even still though - I'll admit that they're doing what they believe is the right thing to do for them. Including the lying about their reasons. In the same way any murderer believes he has to hide the evidence. In the same way American government tells us stories about weapons of mass destruction and an Axis of Evil to cover what they're really doing in the Mideast. |
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