http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmqv8...e5RVAAAAAAAAAA
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Stop making one-word threads in ED for fuck sake
I'll start with you.
Stop making death threats on the internet for fuck sake
What an extended discussion. I'll add my thoughts here.
I think... I think I didn't listen to the audio.
Why not?
I'm feeling very tired and silly today. Also I don't like the image on the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Beyond the smoggy horizon burns a light of Reason.
or is it God?
What like these poor campers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gsCuQthy60
I like it. I've heard it before but without Blue Foundation playing in the background. It helped me fall asleep last night.
As far as the philosophy goes, it's pretty counter intuitive but also a most necessary concept for all religions to take into account. I like how he mentioned the monks that burned down their temple. Destroy the mind's concept of reality. Destroy the symbols. Destroy the conclusions.
Yes! This is why I added it here, it's a great thing to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
It could have gone in Philosophy I suppose, but I thought the religious people here should hear it too.
Bring religious gets in the way of religion. I think that's the main point of this.
By worshiping something or someone, or by devoting yourself to a religion, you fail to actually use the concepts that religion is teaching. Because all you're doing is thinking about the religion itself.
And yeah, Alan Watts helps me sleep too sometimes :lol:
Whoever put the video together did a terrible job with the audio, but I'm reminded of my favorite Joseph Campbell quote, from the Power of Myth interviews with Bill Moyers:
Quote:
Religious fundamentalism is fundamentally irreligious.
The song in the background made it hard for me to pay attention at first.
He discusses a few things. Being against religion traps you as much as being immersed in it.
This reminds me of my own experience with attempts at detachment (from everything). The hardest part is not to become attached to the outcome of the attempt, to whether or not you succeed in detaching yourself. And this is similar to meditating, and trying not to think too hard and care too much about whether you succeed in eliminating thoughts.
Yeah, well if you're thinking about whether you've succeeded in eliminating thoughts, you've failed :lol:
Coz you're thinking.
It's becoming more and more apparent to me these days that almost everything done to achieve a goal is counterproductive.
I didn't find the song annoying really. At first a bit, but some of the things you find on youtube are ridiculous, the music overpowers the actual speech 3 fold.
ellaborate?
Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, please, elaborate on why you think that almost everything done to achieve a goal is counterproductive. I don't see how this might be true. Perhaps an example might help?
And that's the weirdest way of quoting something I've ever seen, Crondy.
Weird indeed. All these 1-posters are fucking weird, actually.
I want to know what goes through their head, joining a forum a posting/responding to something like that.
I've already outlines why I think it is counterproductive. As did Alan Watts in the speech in the OP.
I mean sure you can achieve the idea of something by trying to achieve it.
However, say you're trying to become a successful business man.
And you spend all your time focusing on being a successful business man, and you may actually create a successful business, but you'll be so focused on creating a successful business that you'll never actually be a successful business man. Just a guy trying to create a successful business.
It's hard to explain.
But it's the same thing as trying to be religious. Even though you may achieve the facets of a devout religious person, you will never be one simply because you are not being one; you're trying to be one by focusing on the religion and it's teachings, instead of being what the religion teaches.
This is another good example
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Originally Posted by Taosaur
When you put yourself in a pursuing mode, acquiring what you are pursuing does not change your mode, only you can change your mode and cease pursuing.
And simply enjoy.
Yes, put much more succinctly.
sorry it said the number one? lol.
you're saying that people want to be anything but themselves.
What said number one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crondy
Maybe they do maybe they don't. I didn't say either.
You made a comment about me only having one post count. and you're right, i should've added blatantly and "without realizing it".Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
i know what you were getting at, people are people and not individuals because of what is proposed to them by "entertainment", they see something and they want it. you're right, it's alot harder to explain then i thought.
and i only quoted it like that because im new and it was easy to copy and paste lol.
Oh, I just said one post count because there's a lot of noobs around here that just come in to the most random discussions without ever even touching the lucid dreaming section of the forum. And they usually leave after that one post lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Crondy
I can understand that, an aspiring lucid dreamer might not have much to talk about in the on-topic forums, nor feel like they should announce their arrival with a newbie thread, but upon exploring the off-topic realm they might have a couple cents to add.