Keyword: "If." |
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If modern particle physics is correct in describing all matter/energy as nothing more than bits of information then reality can be described as a self organizing information storage (matter) and transfer (enegry) matrix which is essentially a description of an evolving intelligent computer, therefore god. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Keyword: "If." |
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Checkmate Atheists. |
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Keyword: "god". |
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You are using the word you're defining in the definition. |
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Modern physicas doesn't understand quantum particles and other stuff. |
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I wouldn't consider this a checkmate. Nor would I consider it a check. There's no checkmating anybody in a debate over whether or not there is a god. |
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A self organizing/evolving quantum computer that encompasses and is the source of everything in the known universe is not an adequate definition for god? It is omniscient because all phenomena are included in its memory (matter) and thought processes (energy transfer). It is omnipresent as all time and space are part of its structure. It is omnipotent as all "power" is a function of the interactions between its parts. What does it lack in order to be legitimately called god? |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 04-22-2012 at 09:36 PM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
The universe is omnipresent, in that it encompasses everything and every time period. |
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Well what is the definition of memory? The most encompassing definition I can find is |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 04-22-2012 at 10:11 PM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
We can also apply Spinoza's argument for a conscious universe to this thread which can be paraphrased as; |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Conscious volition? |
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logical proof |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 04-23-2012 at 04:03 AM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
Xaqaria, |
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I guess if no one can get past one word taken out of context then the discussion will be very short lived indeed, but the reason for that doesn't have much to do with the word in question. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
So this is not suggestion of an independent, separate, personal God... but that the very fabric of existence, as if every single thing is interconnected like firing neurons in a brain, is God itself - the process? |
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Last edited by Wolfwood; 04-30-2012 at 08:43 PM.
Who looks outside, dreams;
who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Jung
Such an entity would necessarily be capable of behaving in the manner ascribed to " personal gods" since this type of god is everything and is capable of anything that is possible so I don't understand the distinction. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 04-30-2012 at 11:01 PM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
My description is that God is typically viewed as a bearded man in the sky. Irrespective of his omnipresence, metaphorically you'd describe that as sort of separate and independent insofar that it is a thing or is capable of becoming a thing.... at least in comparison to that which is everything, for that cannot be a thing.... it is the very interconnectedness of everything. |
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Last edited by Wolfwood; 05-01-2012 at 11:57 AM.
Who looks outside, dreams;
who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Jung
If god is every thing then obviously it is capable of being a thing. If I have consciousness and free will and I am a part of god, then my consciousness and free will is god's consciousness and free will. The tao that can be spoken is not the eternal tao. In other words, as soon as you say what the tao is or is not, you are wrong. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 05-02-2012 at 05:57 AM.
Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
No, the Tao that can be spoken of is not the Tao because it is not a THING that you can describe. And the closest you can say, is that it is the very process of change and interconnectedness, a verb not a noun. If you want to call a pattern that emerges due to strict physical laws, God, then so be it. But we differ here. |
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Last edited by Wolfwood; 05-02-2012 at 12:02 PM.
Who looks outside, dreams;
who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Jung
I think what I'm trying to get at, simply, is this: |
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Who looks outside, dreams;
who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Jung
And this, I do not follow. It presumes complexity to simplicity, rather than simplicity to complexity. |
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Last edited by Wolfwood; 05-02-2012 at 06:33 PM.
Who looks outside, dreams;
who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Jung
So all you are trying to say is that the Universe=God? How is that logic productive? Simply adding another synonym to something we already have a word for doesn't solve anything... It's completely useless. |
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