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      Satan or God?

      Which one would you prefer to have a beer with?

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Satan. He's probably way cooler.
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      Chose Thor because he has all of the awesomeness you would expect from a god, but doesn't have as many of the arsehole characteristics as the Abrahamic god. I'm not entirely sure what to make of Satan. Most of what we know about him comes straight out of the bible, which happens to be an extremely one-sided account. So if that's the best we have to go on, we really have no way of knowing if he's as much of a dickhead as he's made out to be. He probably just got a bad rap and happens to be a lot cooler than we've been made to think, but I'm gonna play it safe and avoid him anyway.

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      You only get half a beer then - Thor is only a demigod.

      On the plus side, a flagon is much bigger than a pint. But whatever you do, don't let Thor bring his asshole brother along...

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      It's alright. I actually don't drink alcohol, so he's welcome to all the beer. I just think it would be cool to hang out with him.

      And I must make a correction here. Originally in Norse mythology, Loki was seen as Odin's blood-brother. But in recent times, he's been portrayed as Thor's brother (like in the films Thor and The Avengers), which is false. Just felt the need to point that out.

      Plus, I think Thor was regarded as a full god and not a demi-god.
      Last edited by HeavySleeper; 06-14-2012 at 02:08 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper View Post
      I actually don't drink alcohol
      Leave Scotland now!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Leave Scotland now!
      No! Being a drinker isn't a requirement! I'm staying where I am!

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      That's the difference between being a scot and a resident of scotland
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      I put Thor, But I would only want to if He Wasn't used to being able to get drunk like in the movie.


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      No one sides with God.

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      I would definitely have a cold one with Satan. As a mortal I think i could relate to him better than God. Id imagine it would be awkward to just chill with him.
      I not real religious at all and I would take the opportunity to hang with the fallen angel. (I have heard that's what he is but i wouldn't presume to know)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper View Post
      And I must make a correction here. Originally in Norse mythology, Loki was seen as Odin's blood-brother. But in recent times, he's been portrayed as Thor's brother (like in the films Thor and The Avengers), which is false. Just felt the need to point that out.
      Spoiler for Actual spoiler for The Avengers/Thor:


      And of course I choose Thor. The Norse gods seem like they can handle their beer.

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      I'm not a religious person, but i would say i love them both equally. I compare those 2 with emotions.

      The negative and positive emotions, and i think it's important to accept them both in order to reach your full potential. And i don't really know anything about Thor so i can't speak for that.


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      How would it even be possible to have a beer with god? He's not personified... except in a couple of allegorical paintings and when he decided to hobnob with his subjects as Jesus. And Jesus is no longer alive, so how does a noncorporeal entity drink?

      As for Mr. Scratch, no thanks. I don't even like to drink with used car salesmen or con men - definitely not with the ultimate trickster who wants to enslave my soul.

      Thor now... that sounds like a blast! Does that make me a pagan?

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      Not only is he not Loki's Brother, he's also not a demigod. His mother was a giant, as were both of Loki's parents. The giants are like the norse version of titans.

      And I agree with Ekyu, you can't have light without creating shadow so to me if you're going to worship God you should worship Satan too.
      Last edited by Omnis Dei; 06-17-2012 at 06:07 AM.

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      That's still half god, amirite? Ergo demigod.

      ** edit **

      Ok, apparently in Norse mythology the Jötnar (giants) are also gods, so I concede. He is, however, a demi-Ćsir.

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      No, because the norse model doesn't fall into a god/non-god dichotomy. You may as well say if someone's the child of an aesir god and vanir god then they're only a demigod. A jotunn is still a type of norse deity. If it weren't then loki wouldn't even be considered a god at all because both his parents were frost giants.

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      I just edited my above post. You were right ya bastard.

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      Awe I wanted to keep talking about it, I love myth.

      Relating it to greek mythology, you wouldn't deny Zeus is a god even though his father was the titan Cronus, and his mother Rhea was the daughter of Uranus and Gaia, the god of sky and goddess of earth. Uranus and Gaia gave birth to all the titans, which could all still be considered deities as well as their children.

      In the same way all the Jotunn in norse mythology come from Ymir, the giant formed of the mixing between heat and cold. Odin is the son of Borr, who is the son of Buri, who spawns out of the same void that was the stage for Ymir to spawn from. Ymir and Buri have two different creation stories, but in any case Borr married Ymir's daughter making Odin Ymir's grandson, and also part giant.

      Thor and Odin are both considered full fledged members of the aesir.

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      For some reason I always had Thor pegged as a demigod like Hercules. In each case their dad was the king of the gods and they were sent to earth to mingle, just like Jesus. So, would Jesus be considered a demigod, since his birth mother was human? Or all god since he was essentially God corporealized?


      All this does raise one very interesting question..

      How do human-sized gods crossbreed with giants anyway? Hmm...

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      I have a feeling Jord posed Odin the question, "Is it in yet?"

      Also Hercules' mother was a human, making him different from Thor's mother, who was a deity which personified the earth. You'll notice the relationship between Greek and Norse mythology makes Odin out to be more like Kronos since they both fuck the earth and made the God of Lightning. This makes Thor more similar to Zeus.

      If you want demigods, Norse mythology is a little more convoluted because they believed in Elves and Dwarves and shit, so for instance the vanir freyja fucked like 4 dwarves or something. There are a few heroes in proto-european mythology who can trace their lineage to the gods though, such as Sigmund and Beowulf.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      Not only is he not Loki's Brother, he's also not a demigod. His mother was a giant, as were both of Loki's parents. The giants are like the norse version of titans.

      And I agree with Ekyu, you can't have light without creating shadow so to me if you're going to worship God you should worship Satan too.
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      When I walked back to my bedroom I was wondering about the soft moonlight around me, indoors.

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      Hey DJ!

      Well, I suppose that corresponds to transcending the very human paradigm of personifying our good and bad sides as dieties and devils - something like the Buddhist principle of Clear Light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Hey DJ!

      Well, I suppose that corresponds to transcending the very human paradigm of personifying our good and bad sides as dieties and devils - something like the Buddhist principle of Clear Light.
      This hits home with something Joseph Campell likes to talk about when considering the Trimurti and stuff. While you can't have Vishnu without Shiva, Brahma transcends both.

      This is also included in Norse Mythology, with Odin's two brothers.

      And you could argue the Indra of Christianity, the King of Gods and Ruler of Heaven is the light side of the duality, but that the Holy Spirit transcends the duality. In Egyptian Mythology, Ra is countered by Osiris, Geb the earth is countered by Nut the sky, and most other mythical dynasties contain a similar duality where first we have a duality between sky and earth, and with it masculinity and femininity, and another myth in that lineage creates the duality of Light and Darkness. And beyond all of these things there is almost always the original, indivisible spirit, the Atman.

      Christianity likes to ignore the balance though, and exclude this idea that peaceful unity exists at the core of the duality. They like to think choosing one side of the battle gives you peace.
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      I must say, it's been amusing to watch from afar your focus wax over time, Omnis Dei. If you can look past the rather lame title, consider this a token to usher you forward: Maeterlinck's The Great Secret. Comically, even Xei, along with others, would do well to read this.

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