Well too bad, you don't always get what you want. |
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If I were Satan, and I wanted to lead as many souls astray as possible, I would claim to be a mighty, omnipotent and unconditionally loving God. I would tell my people there's only one way, and it's mine, and all other ways are false. I would tell people they needed to convert everyone to worship me so they could save their souls. I would have them torture each other in an aim of converting them all to my religion. My religion would publicly preach love and forgiveness while in practice it would cultivate hate and prejudice. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Well too bad, you don't always get what you want. |
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You're right I wanted someone with an IQ above 35 to respond to this thread. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I don't think it's the concept or figure of a monotheistic deity that emerges as 'evil' under close scrutiny as religious organisations. I believe on the face of it all religion has come into being as a way of rationalising and reassuring oneself about the afterlife, possibly the oldest and most maddening fear we have is our fear of our own mortality. 'It's alright, I'm going to paradise when I die. unfortunately that sort of message is very powerful if you want to start manipulating entire populations towards your own political goals as we've seen in history with the Roman catholic church and Islamic jihadism. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
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Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Under the assumption that there is Satan, we could also assume there is God |
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Goals
Have my first Lucid Dream [X] Become adept at stabilising dreams [] Change my dream environment [] Summoning [X] Telekinesis [] Hear a joke from a DC [] Ride a dragon, then jump off from a great height [] Swim [] Drive [] Eat []
My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Satan exists just as much as God. |
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I realize that i'm dreaming.
I realize that i'm dreaming.
I realize that i'm dreaming.
<--- My Dream Journal Contains ONLY Lucid Dreams
Then, and this is the kicker, every few hundred years or so I'd tell some random jack ass that everyone worshiping me is doing it wrong and he needs to spread the untainted version of my law. I'd bury golden plates in the ground and all sorts of shit to legitimize this new prophet, and start the whole mess over again. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
All 3 abrahamic religions include a God who is has power over Satan. I dont know about Judaism or Christianity, but in Islam, it is specifically stated that Satan cannot impersonate God or the prophets |
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Goals
Have my first Lucid Dream [X] Become adept at stabilising dreams [] Change my dream environment [] Summoning [X] Telekinesis [] Hear a joke from a DC [] Ride a dragon, then jump off from a great height [] Swim [] Drive [] Eat []
That's exactly what I would say if I were Satan |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
As a side note, Gnosticism is pretty awesome. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
wait a second. The only purpose this conceptual "Satan" serves in structured religion is to oppose another conceptual "God", so if "Satan" is opposing "God" by being "God" doesn't that mean that "God" is a concept that is in itself contradictory? so if God is God and Satan is God then wouldn't "Satan" just be another term for "God"? Or maybe I misunderstand. |
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There's two ways I could answer that. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
It's an unlikely situation, and here's why: |
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But my point is if I were Satan, I would make christianity exactly the way it is, and describe myself as a benevolent diety, not a malevolent one. Why on earth would I get people to worship me by saying "I'm a douchebag?" I'd want my worshipers to feel like they're on the good side and like they're legitimately helping people by torturing and slaughtering them. If they knew they were following a corrupt diety, they'd be more open to other opinions and wouldn't feel so sure that they were right about everything. They may even look actively for some sort of good god to fight me. I can't have that, I would want everything to already think they're on the good side, no matter what evil shit they end up doing for me. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Ah, you're a fan of the idea of religious pluralism. That's logically flawed, as different religions make irreconcilably clashing claims. Different creation models, different salvation plans, different codes of conduct. No religion is the same, and they all make certain truth claims about the reality of the universe which cannot be ignored. There can only be one true religion, or there can be none at all. |
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Please excuse my crassness but what a load of festering bullshit. Each and every religion has, at the very least, a sect which believes in the universal path toward peace and self-liberation. The Christians have the Gnostics, the Muslims have Sufism, Hindus and Buddhists also have tons and tons of various followings which are usually regard each other neutrally until the followers decide that they have the one true way. The only thing that separates religion is the arrogance to assume there's only one way. They may vary in their details but those details are horizontal. When regarding the vertical, spiritual growth, they all lead to the same place. |
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Last edited by Omnis Dei; 07-08-2012 at 07:54 PM.
Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
And furthermore, individual religions are FULL of contradictions. Practically every word of the bible is contradicted by something else in the bible. Contradictions do not mean various religions cannot be reconciled, or else no one would be able to call themselves Christian to begin with. The fact is you can reconcile contradictions, Christians do it all the time, usually by picking and choosing or claiming different contexts result in what appears to be contradictory but isn't. The same is true of different religions, a lot of their contradictions are arbitrary but the core of every religion is a same fucking thing. Only the details change. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
God is schizophrenic. |
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I realize that i'm dreaming.
I realize that i'm dreaming.
I realize that i'm dreaming.
<--- My Dream Journal Contains ONLY Lucid Dreams
His second alter ego has a massive erection |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
If satan was god than why did satan go through the trouble of creating mankind and setting up an elaborate plan to convince them he was god. Maybe he just created mankind to win a bet, to prove to the other gods that its possible to decieve an entire race. |
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I'm not necessarily saying satan is the creator god, just that when abrahamic dogmatists worship God they're really worshiping Satan. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
The great thing is your argument is absolutely flawless. There is no way to prove it wrong |
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