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      God is not an external entity.(IMO)

      First I would like to say is that I am not claiming what I say is fact, nor am I dissing those that are religious. I respect your beliefs so please respect mine. I don't believe in the 'god' the way Christians do. Christians believe god to be an external being that is watching over us and you must worship him so you can go to heaven. If I am wrong feel free to correct me on this but that is what it seems to me. Anyway. Has anyone ever considered that GOD is within and NOT external? Think about it. It is WE that choose how our life goes. It is WE that choose the destiny of our future, not god. I will use lucid dreaming to explain my reasoning. God is a CREATOR right? But WE are also CREATORS in our own right. This is evident when we are dreaming. WHO is creating that world but you? Nobody else is creating that world but you. The physical world is just another dream. It is influenced by OUR thoughts. Water is a good example of this. If you don't believe me then Google "Water influenced by thoughts" and check out some of the links. I believe we are ALL god. We are all individuals but we are all ONE!
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      so you mean hes like a parasite or something

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      Quote Originally Posted by ♥Mark View Post
      so you mean hes like a parasite or something
      What I am trying to imply is that WE are god. Not a parasite lol. But it would be weird if he was.
      When I say god is within I mean that it WE that is god.

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      I think this is a pretty common concept. That, like how dream characters are manifestations of the various facets of our conscious/subconscious mind, the universe and every soul within it is a manifestation of a facet of the mind of "God", or whatever the ultimate source can be called. This is especially a common view for psychonauts with experience with LSD. You get this sense that you are just one face, and that everyone (people, animals, even inorganic matter) is ultimately the same force.
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      Thanks for sharing your input. But do you believe this to be true? Do you think that all of us are god?

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      This is my current worldview/belief, yes. I suspect that it is true. My own understanding/experience right now suggests to me that we are PARTS of 'God', though I hate that term because of all the associations tied to it. I suspect that consciousness/sentience is "God", and that it exists in everything. We are fragments of "God", of the ultimate force. Each one of us is consciousness trying on a different form, but ultimately it is the same consciousness. The appearance of division occurs because our perspectives are limited.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ThisWitheredMan View Post
      This is my current worldview/belief, yes. I suspect that it is true. My own understanding/experience right now suggests to me that we are PARTS of 'God', though I hate that term because of all the associations tied to it. I suspect that consciousness/sentience is "God", and that it exists in everything. We are fragments of "God", of the ultimate force. Each one of us is consciousness trying on a different form, but ultimately it is the same consciousness. The appearance of division occurs because our perspectives are limited.
      I guess the best way to put it is that life is fractal. If you don't know what a fractal is, it is basically a special image that has even smaller images in it and each image is an exact copy of the whole. So when I say that life is fractal it means that we all represent the whole (god) but each aspect of god(fractals) is the exact same as the whole. Thus we are all gods.
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      I agree with you absolutely, I just see no reason to use the label god. Our life and reality is clearly shaped in our own minds, but we never do anything supernatural. So the term god might not really be accurate.

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      No, there is difference between people who believe their minds create reality and that there is no God, and people who believe in God and that we are God

      The difference is one of origin, purpose and divinity. In the former the universe is like a digital matrix that human minds can interact with. It doesn't make any statement regarding origin. It doesn't make any statement regarding divinity. And it treats this matrix of consciousness as the end result of something rather than a divine conscious being. They are so different even if they see eye to eye.

      Its important to understand that in this belief: One, God is conscious. For God to exist God must be conscious. If God isn't conscious then God doesn't exist. So its a simple conclusion. God must be conscious. And if God is conscious then God is alive. (and the bible does refer to God as the Living God/Spirit). Two. God is everyone and within everything.

      This is where people get confused. Actually were all confused, lets just be honest about that. When they hear God is everyone or within everything they conclude this means God is unconscious. They argue "If you believe God is everyone or within everything, then why believe in God? How does this make reality different?"

      They don't understand the concept because they took living consciousness away from God. To say God is within everything is to say that the core of it everything is living consciousness. This is a vastly different worldview. It makes the whole of creation divine. And you're statement "but we never do anything supernatural" would make no sense. Its a division of divinity and creation. But in this story they are one and the same.

      (maybe I misunderstood you and thats what you meant?)

      This concept of God is applied on top of science. And it all started with the Singularity!!!!!! The singularity will expand into everything and everyone that ever will exist. And thats not even the spiritual part, that's the scientific fact. As far as science is concerned, the big bang didn't stop. THE UNIVERSE IS STILL EXPANDING and you and I are as much a part of the expanding universe as the sun or galaxies. And it all has a single origin.

      For people who believe in this concept of God - this is exciting! It translates to "consciousness expanded into everyone and everything". Much like when we dream our own consciousness becomes the environment and the characters in it. Dreams are a gateway to understanding this concept.

      But if you just say human beings co-created reality and thats that, well that leaves a lot of questions. Did dinosaurs exist before humans were around to imagine them? Was the world flat when we thought it was flat? Who or what was creating before consciousness? Or did we simply evolve a way to influence reality? The statement says nothing of divinity. Did consciousness always exist or is it the by-product of the brain? Does it continue to exist beyond death or is death it?

      And more importantly, this statement tends to treat the union of consciousness as a state of being - rather than a living conscious being onto itself. They're both exactly the same thing!!! Just viewed from different angles. Outwards or inwards.

      People who believe in the union of consciousness but don't recognize it as God will sometimes call that union of consciousness the Observer. And the Observer does NOTHING but observe. It takes no part in evil. It takes no part in good. It takes no action of any kind. Except observe. Logically if you believe in the Observer the Observer is pretty much useless in the grand scheme of things except to give you an opportunity to experience being the Observer yourself!

      But this isn't the same as believing God is the living universe. Because in that story God is so much more than just the Observer who cares not if you suffer. Because God is also the one who suffers. Because God is also the individual who wonders what God is.

      Theres more I want to say but I dont want to make this read any longer, lol. Who wants to know the relationship between God and poop?
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      Were you replying to just Alric? Well I will reply anyway. I believe that everyone has a part in co-creating this reality. That includes animals, bacteria, humanity, plants. Everything. So dinosaurs were co-creating reality too. Every being on this planet is helping create this are are thus a god. The best way to explain this is to pretend God split himself into a countless amount of little pieces and each little piece is living their own individual life.

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      Juroara you have wisdom beyond your years. That's one of the most thought-provoking statements I've seen here in a very long time. Very well put.

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