Thread: message to lucifers followers

Originally Posted by knight31

Do you seriously believe that dogs can breed themselves into a different animal?

Yes, they are called dogs, wolves, foxes, jackals and coyotes.

The only beneficial mutations that exist is the things like when someone gets knocked hard on the head, then it's possible they can obtain photographic memory of events from it. That could be seen as a beneficial mutation, but it has nothing to do with your theory, if it did, we would all have photographic memories by now. But such things are not passed on in the gene pool, even though their memory could serve them well afterwards (but don't knock yourself on the head)

Getting hit in the head isn't a mutation. Beneficial in this context means survival, things that help survival are passed on. There is no advantage in terms of survival in having a photographic memory and so people didn't evolve to have it.

The analogies is because you can't understand. When you have male and female DNA that grows in a womb as a fetus, that's a process of re-production. The genetic material is already provided for it's growth. It already has the information to do it. However your theory states that from nothingness, or from bacteria in the ocean, the DNA magically arranged itself into a complex system that is beyond your understanding. That is quite frankly impossible unless someone designed it. This website or the coding on this website, didn't just arrange itself. Someone designed it and it's called website design, or are you going to suggest it's a result of random mutations. Eg glitches in the computer operating system that resulted in a code that then became this site. That's the extent of the ridiculousness that is your argument.

No you don't seem to understand, evolution isn't random. Evolution is a process, hence the reason cell division is a far better analogy than the silly random stuff you are saying. Random mutations are what causes some initial changes in something but that doesn't mean evolution is random, and it isn't. Evolution is a process of promoting advantageous traits. Things that help a creature survive are selected for when the animal successfully breeds and traits that hinder survival are removed as the creature dies before breeding.

Evolution takes a long time because it doesn't even work at all, and so you say it has to take a long time, as an excuse. You have to admit it's pretty hilarious that you think you have evidence of it when you say yourself that the evidence takes too long to generate. You are better off going with genetic engineering, but then you would have to admit a designer, so you still lose lol.

I already pointed out that we have fossil evidence going back millions and billions of years ago. That is how we can tell that evolution is true. Why are all the fossils from over 3 billion years ago of tiny single cell stuff? Why do the older fossils contain only primitive life forms and the more advanced one are dated to time periods closer to our own? If everything was made at once then there should be a mix at every time period but there isn't. You can clearly see a pattern of early simple life forms dating the furthest back and more advanced life forms happening much closer to our time.

So you got some asexual bacteria or whatever it is from decades of fussing around with it's environment. Only problem is the designer designed it that way in their experiment and it would not have done it by itself in other environmental conditions lol. The entire process of it isn't even going according to your theory because your theory involves more than mutations. You have to prove that the mutations lead to advancement and progression and increased complexity in it's structure.

They didn't design the bacteria in any way, it is natural bacteria that lives in the wild. They just brought it to a lab setting to test and see if things change over many generations and their test proves that they do. The bacteria actually did exactly what evolution predicted. So it backs up evolution.

I know what the data actually means so I can easily draw inferences about it. You are falsely concluding that the experiment proves your theory of evolution when it doesn't. To prove we evolved from monkeys is going to take more than a half baked experiment of watching some bacteria move around. The information out of that experiment might be useful in some contexts but it's totally useless to use it as a basis for your argument here.

Actually the experiment clearly provides evidence for evolution, you are just to clueless to understand it. The experiment also directly counters your idea that things don't change over many generation, which we all know that animals do since we can see it every where around us.

mutations don't get passed on in that way, In addition the bacteria would have to be in the same environment as that experiment for it to be valid. There is many males in jail that turn homosexual because they don't have any Woman in the jails with them. That doesn't mean they are mutating into homosexuals, it's just their environment is screwed and they would act straight if they got out of jail. The experimenter may have tortured the bacteria into becoming retarded but that doesn't tell us about the process of how we would evolve from bacteria.

Actually that is exactly how mutations pass on. When you reproduce you pass your genes on to your children. If there is a mutation in your genes, then there is a chance you will pass that mutation on to the next generation. Also the bacteria isn't changing it's behavior, the actually structure is changing. So it would be like a group of humans having blue skin and growing to 8 feet average height, and 6 fingers on each hand.

If you put a pile of bricks and material on some land, and waited a few billion years, I bet the material would not turn itself into a house......So why would you assume that we could somehow grow out of the ocean?

The fact that you keep saying stupid shit like that, proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Living things are not inanimate objects. They are not stationary objects, they are constantly changing and growing.

Originally Posted by Alric

Yes, they are called dogs, wolves, foxes, jackals and coyotes.

You can't trace them all to a single dog, because those species have existed in parallel not from each other. You couldn't turn a dog into a elephant or giraffe, but with your theory of evolution, apparently that somehow happened. It's just a fantasy you have.

Getting hit in the head isn't a mutation. Beneficial in this context means survival, things that help survival are passed on. There is no advantage in terms of survival in having a photographic memory and so people didn't evolve to have it.

It's a mutation in that it causes damage to the proper function of the cells. That's what mutations involve. When someone gets hit on the head brain changes can occur like this. And how can you say having a photographic memory is not an advantage. So you read a few hundred books and can recall all you have learnt and that's not an advantage? You could read all up about surviving in the wild, different plants that are edible. Strategies for survival. You can learn it all and retain it. What wouldn't be an advantage of it? It's the biggest advantage you could ever have.

No you don't seem to understand, evolution isn't random. Evolution is a process, hence the reason cell division is a far better analogy than the silly random stuff you are saying.

Looks like it still hasn't sunk in yet. Cell division is not natural selection cell division is a re-production of current avaliable DNA. Okay?

Random mutations are what causes some initial changes in something but that doesn't mean evolution is random, and it isn't. Evolution is a process of promoting advantageous traits. Things that help a creature survive are selected for when the animal successfully breeds and traits that hinder survival are removed as the creature dies before breeding.

A mutation is not an advancement of complexity in DNA. So you can't use the environment for it to be passed on even. If white moths and black moths are existing and the bark of the trees is black, the black moths survive predators. That doesn't mean the moths mutated, it just made the white month extinct. There was no DNA complexity added, nature is just going according to what exists. The white moths did not turn into black ones.

I already pointed out that we have fossil evidence going back millions and billions of years ago.

I already pointed out there was a pink unicorn in my room, are you going to believe it without any evidence? Or should I be more specific?

That is how we can tell that evolution is true. Why are all the fossils from over 3 billion years ago of tiny single cell stuff? Why do the older fossils contain only primitive life forms and the more advanced one are dated to time periods closer to our own?

Have you got a 3 billion year old fossil? Do you realize how different things could have been billions of years ago and that most of it would be underground? It's useless saying that you have old fossils and that proves you know what went on billions of years ago. You have no idea what condition the earth has been in before. Continents could have been covered in lava for all you know. You can't assume that you know what was alive billions of years ago from a few fragments of rock.

You can clearly see a pattern of early simple life forms dating the furthest back and more advanced life forms happening much closer to our time.

No there isn't. This is part of your fantasy.

They didn't design the bacteria in any way, it is natural bacteria that lives in the wild. They just brought it to a lab setting to test and see if things change over many generations and their test proves that they do. The bacteria actually did exactly what evolution predicted. So it backs up evolution.

hahahaha. The bacteria didn't do jack. Evolution didn't even have a theory about what would happen with it. All they knew was that mutations would occur as it lives and re-produces. That doesn't prove we can grow out of bacteria.

Actually the experiment clearly provides evidence for evolution, you are just to clueless to understand it.

You are just clueless about my pink unicorn in my room.

The experiment also directly counters your idea that things don't change over many generation, which we all know that animals do since we can see it every where around us.

If I take a bite out of an apple, and leave it on the bench for weeks. Mold will grow on it and the apple will rot, bacteria will be attracted to consume it. The bacteria will change and grow as it consumes the apple and lives, similar to the experiment you referenced to. But it won't quite make it into a human being, it won't live up to your fantasy and be able to organize itself into a beautiful blonde female I'm afraid. You are more or less suggesting that if you brought a blow up doll, and left it in your room, that it could eventually come to life and re-organize it's structure. Over billions of years it would evolve into your girlfriend, somehow. Or perhaps a banana tree would evolve into an apple tree, because people in the area travel more with apples, and so it benefits the banana tree to turn into an apple tree so it can spread around more. That's your theory isn't it? Beneficial adaptions changed it into an apple tree. But somehow the banana tree remains. So half of it changed. Like we have monkeys today and humans. Half and half changed.

Actually that is exactly how mutations pass on. When you reproduce you pass your genes on to your children. If there is a mutation in your genes, then there is a chance you will pass that mutation on to the next generation. Also the bacteria isn't changing it's behavior, the actually structure is changing. So it would be like a group of humans having blue skin and growing to 8 feet average height, and 6 fingers on each hand.

It's not possible for us to change this dramatically without some serious genetic engineering, just like that blow up doll is not going to become your girlfriend without some serious programming, even the hardware from your local electronic store would not be enough to modify it into a human. The blow up doll just doesn't have the DNA information for the job. Even after trillions of years it's not possible. Same as bacteria in the ocean just doesn't have what it takes to become a human. I'm surprised that you could even believe in such a fantasy.

The fact that you keep saying stupid shit like that, proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Living things are not inanimate objects. They are not stationary objects, they are constantly changing and growing.

Wood, bricks, and other elements are made up of atoms, and guess what, so are living organisms. Living organism are just programmed differently in a way more complex way and so they are able to function in a more complex manner.

According to your theory we went from stardust, to the earth, to humans, ever since the 'big bang' so your theory has to include inanimate objects like wood and bricks, and other elements that make up the universe cause you actually claim that that's where we came from matter after the big bang and stardust evolved into us through random chance.

Matter that exploded out of a magical big bang that actually came from nothing and no-where and benefited by changing into a human. This is your claim. That out of the nothingness it all fell into place and re-arranged itself. You are saying something worse than a blow up doll that existed trillions of years ago floated around in space to eventually re-arranged itself to the point where it built a spaceship and landed on earth and seeked you out as your girlfriend. That's about as much chance as your theory has of working. Maybe you are so attractive that the blow up doll in space benefited from evolving itself and would survive better knowing that you existed.

Just admit it, god exists as the designer of it. Even if you have a computer to design a software program, it's not going to write the code on it's own. Nothing has ever existed without a designer. No theory has ever worked without taking action as a living being with a purpose of designing it.

Checkmate.

Knight31 and replyers

You are making this thread very interesting.

My Chrisian friends tell me there is no such thing as evolution because nothing is evolving. Nothing is getting better. Everything is getting worse. Everything is devolving. They say that man devolved the wolf into the many breeds of dogs we have to day.

But

No matter how much man tries, no amout of selective breeding will produce a wolf from dogs. The dogs have lost a lot in devolving from wolf to dog. And what was lost cannot be put back.

Buy the way, I'm an evolutionist.

Evolution and creation do not in any way contradict eachother.

One is a scientifically proven theory of how and why living things change.

The other is a religious belief for how and why things including life began.

Change does not negate beginning.

I don't like evolution.

Long ago I thought it was something else but sadly discovered that evolution is about death not life.

Here is an example

Malaria kills million s year. But if your are unfortunate enough to have the extremley agonising and fatal disease called Sickle Cell you can't die of Malaria cos your blood cell cannot accommodate the virus. So you will live to reproduce while most of the healthy will die of Maleria before they reproduce.

Sickle Cell anemia is high in West Africa cos Malaria, over 4 thousand years, has killed-off a lot of healthy folk leaving only the sick, with Sickle Cell Anemia, folk to reprodice.

Evolution sucks


Evolution of sickle cell malaria

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look it's really this simple.

In order to accept that the universe exists. You HAVE to without exception! Believe in an uncaused cause. The first cause has to be uncaused. In other words it has to exist as infinite potential and the source of everything. The only thing that can ever describe or meet such conditions as infinite potential that does not have a cause, is god.

Now sit back, relax, and enjoy the Apocalypse.

Originally Posted by debrajane

I don't like evolution.

Long ago I thought it was something else but sadly discovered that evolution is about death not life.

Here is an example

Malaria kills million s year. But if your are unfortunate enough to have the extremley agonising and fatal disease called Sickle Cell you can't die of Malaria cos your blood cell cannot accommodate the virus. So you will live to reproduce while most of the healthy will die of Maleria before they reproduce.

Sickle Cell anemia is high in West Africa cos Malaria, over 4 thousand years, has killed-off a lot of healthy folk leaving only the sick, with Sickle Cell Anemia, folk to reprodice.

Evolution sucks


Evolution of sickle cell malaria

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Evolution of sickle cell malaria - YouTube

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Evolution is neither about death only nor about life only. It's about both. The glass is neither half full nor half empty: it's half full and half empty. Besides death does not have to be bad.

It occurred to me that the chapters on creation in the bible are clearly there to stress that the bible is not meant to be literally true. There are two stories of creation in the bible, and they quite thoroughly contradict eachother. The people who included these two stories must have noticed that, so to me that says that neither of the two versions is supposed to be literal, and the details of how long it took and what the order was does not ultimately matter - that's not what the creation stories are about. I don't believe that those who wrote those parts of the bible were claiming that they knew what actually happened at the beginning in detail, quite the opposite: I believe they knew they did not know those details, but that was not the point. If the bible only said "We believe that in the beginning God created." this would not have been a good story, it would have bored Sunday school children to death, and nobody would ever have repeated it. The rest of the creation stories was literary license to make the stories interesting without loosing the essence of the meaning. Also, if the idea that woman was created from a man's rib is not an invitation to questioning and debate, then I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

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Originally Posted by Darkmatters

It does suck, but it is also strangely addictive and keeps bringing my attention to it no matter how often I decide to stop clicking on it. I wish I could not just unsubscribe from it but say, oh and don't let me click on this thread again no matter how hard I try. That would be desirable, then I could leave this thread for good.

It's extremely hard to accept that anyone could seriously believe any of the things the OP keeps asserting. I know religious extremism is a nether world sealed off from reality where they fill each other's heads with nonsense to enable each other to ignore facts, but I really don't think any person could be so completely ignorant about reality. And yet I don't see why a troll would just keep posting away in a thread that only a handful of people are looking at and responding to - unless he suffers from OCD or something. Maybe I just don't understand troll mentality very well. Or maybe it's actually mental illness - he does seem to have a good deal of knowledge about psychosis.

JoanneB and Darkmatterd

You are bing too hard on knight31.

I know I'm right!!!

But knight makes me search the net looking for evidence to back meself-up. And I keep failing. If he's a troll then he is a very challenging troll. Not just a trolly-troll.

I have spent hours searching for stuff. But then I find a Creationist refuting it, soundly

But I ain't giving-up cos I know I am right.

Bye for now.

awww look. I found Universal minds favorite band Kiss. How cute.



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Originally Posted by knight31

You can defile gods image, make fun of his sacrifices.

But in the end, do you not see that you don't have the strength to win. In your free will you have chosen pride and envy, and it has made you weak. The more you follow the heavier the chains of bondage have become and the more you have descended away from heaven.

If there any hope for Lucifer after such a fall from the highest place? He was among the most beautiful powerful and awe inspiring of beings in charge over many angels. Yet he fell down like lightening from that place of perfection. Of his own doing he turned everything beautiful about him into a virus that plagued the earth.

What chance would you have as a follower to attain anything other than this virus, which is already manifesting in you as it has lucifer.

This post would have been even more hilarious if you had used a '2' in the title. As in: "message 2 lucifers followers"

I mean, horrendous spelling, grammar, and 13-year-old-boy-listening-to-metal-and-frowning-at-old-people, parts of the post aside, that would have really topped it off as a work of art. Even genius.

But alas. You didn't have it in you. You just couldn't add that hilariously amateurish '2' in.

Originally Posted by knight31

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Actually posting a thumbnail.

Are you semi-literate?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Actually posting a thumbnail.

Are you semi-literate?

Hi welcome to the thread. Please tell us why you think evolution is real.

Originally Posted by debrajane

JoanneB and Darkmatterd

You are bing too hard on knight31.

I know I'm right!!!

But knight makes me search the net looking for evidence to back meself-up. And I keep failing. If he's a troll then he is a very challenging troll. Not just a trolly-troll.

I have spent hours searching for stuff. But then I find a Creationist refuting it, soundly

But I ain't giving-up cos I know I am right.

Bye for now.

debrabane - too hard on him??!! He's totally ignorant of the facts of reality. He says you are one of lucifer's followers and he wants you to burn eternally in hellfire. But then he's lost all credibility like 12 dozen times in this thread, with his total lack of understanding of how anything actually works, so anybody with half a brain cell is just laughing while reading this thread.

A Creationist refuting something? Sure, they do that all the time. They like to refute anything that disagrees with their sad little completely ignorant worldview. But they've never done it successfully. Instead they continue to spew the same lame responses that were all thoroughly debunked long ago while sticking their fingers in their ears and angrily singing Battle Hymn of the Republic at the top of their lungs. Why would anyone take anything a Creationist says seriously? Seriously???

And HELL YEAH!!! Carousoul is in da house!!!!

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

debrabane - too hard on him??!! He's totally ignorant of the facts of reality. He says you are one of lucifer's followers and he wants you to burn eternally in hellfire.

actually I never said that, you did.

A Creationist refuting something? Sure, they do that all the time. They like to refute anything that disagrees with their sad little completely ignorant worldview. But they've never done it successfully. Instead they continue to spew the same lame responses that were all thoroughly debunked long ago while sticking their fingers in their ears and angrily singing Battle Hymn of the Republic at the top of their lungs. Why would anyone take anything a Creationist says seriously? Seriously???

so did the internet and technology invent itself, or did someone create it.

KNIGHT31

Found it

The Whale that Walked

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Wadi Al-Hitan, Whale Valley, in the Western Desert of Egypt, contains invaluable fossil remains of the earliest, and now extinct, suborder of whales, Archaeoceti. These fossils represent one of the major stories of evolution:

the emergence of the whale as an ocean-going mammal from a previous life as a land-based animal.

This is the most important site in the world for the demonstration of this stage of evolution. It portrays vividly the ...

Source: UNESCO TV / © NHK Nippon Hoso Kyokai
URL:*Wadi Al-Hitan (Whale Valley) - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

Originally Posted by knight31

actually I never said that, you did.

Nuh - uh!!! YOU!!!!

Nanny nanny boo boo!! That'll show ya!

Originally Posted by knight31

so did the internet and technology invent itself, or did someone create it.

Lol wat!!??!! Ummm... science did that actually. Certainly not Creationists.

Originally Posted by knight31

Hi welcome to the thread. Please tell us why you think evolution is real.

What's evolution?

I just came here for comedic value.