Thread: message to lucifers followers

Wow - nice one-finger salute there!!

Um... I already said science developed the internet.. ? Are you trying to argue with me, or against me? Or do you even know what point you're trying to make? The internet is a good example of what mankind can do when they come out of the dark ages of extremist religious restrictions on knowledge and truth. It's also something every Creationist and religious extremist loves, because it's the best tool yet for spreading hatred and ignorance like a virus. But on the other hand, it also can be used to spread knowledge and to defeat ignorance and hatred. Sort of a double-edged sword. Careful, don't cut yourself.

Originally Posted by knight31

Someone had to develop the internet. It didn't evolve on it's own. The internet had creators.

sit back and relax, watch a video.

As a practicing Muslim I find your tagline "The Bible is correct" unsettling and worrying.

Indeed, as was revealed to the prophet Mohammed (Blessed be his name) by the angel Gabriel, in fact Jesus Christ was not the son of God but a prophet of God. The fact that you would assert such lies about the divinity of this Jewish prophet is an affront to the name of God. The reason for this is that the Bible is not all true, but the Holy Quran is all true.

You will see if you read the scriptures that the Blessed Quran is far more accurate than the Jew-Necronomicon Bible, and indeed predicts much of what modern "scientists" (filthy haram kafirs) say about the way the world works.

I would strongly recommend you read the writings of the Prophet (Blessed be his name), so you can see the error of your ways, or at least let me know why you would follow the Bible instead?

You will find if you open up your heart to the teachings of Islam and the Prophet that the world will make sense again, and be beautiful. We worship the same idea of God, but Islam interprets his will through direct teaching of Gabriel, as opposed to through a false-son of god, though mighty a prophet, but just a man.

Peace be upon Him

Not

"Blessed be his Name"

Every time my Muslim friends say "Mahumed" they immediatly say, in hushed, respectful tones "Peace be upon Him".

Originally Posted by debrajane

Peace be upon Him

Not

"Blessed be his Name"

Every time my Muslim friends say "Mahumed" they immediatly say, in hushed, respectful tones "Peace be upon Him".

Thanks for ruining my elaborate troll

Christ can't I just do my thing in peace without some cowboy waltzing in and shitting all over my proverbial tower of cards?

huh?

If you want to be useful you'll delete this post before old KNight sees it, and i'll delete mine, and we can both pretend this never happened

If not, a plague on both your houses

Lol - Debra trollin the king of trollz!

Originally Posted by knight31

You can't trace them all to a single dog, because those species have existed in parallel not from each other. You couldn't turn a dog into a elephant or giraffe, but with your theory of evolution, apparently that somehow happened. It's just a fantasy you have.

You can indeed trace them all back to one animal. 8 million years ago there were animals called Cynodicits which the different animals in the dog family can trace their ancestors too. If you go back further to 60 million years ago there was the Miacids which are the ancestors of dogs, cats and bears. We know all this and can prove it with fossil records and dna evidence. Of course you reject all modern biology so you wouldn't know anything about animals and their common ancestors.

It's a mutation in that it causes damage to the proper function of the cells. That's what mutations involve. When someone gets hit on the head brain changes can occur like this. And how can you say having a photographic memory is not an advantage. So you read a few hundred books and can recall all you have learnt and that's not an advantage? You could read all up about surviving in the wild, different plants that are edible. Strategies for survival. You can learn it all and retain it. What wouldn't be an advantage of it? It's the biggest advantage you could ever have.

We are talking about mutations in DNA not cell damage. The mutation has to be able to be passed on from parent to child, and a hit to the head can't be passed on. Also there wasn't books a million years ago, so being able to read fast is of no advantage to our ancestors, and so we didn't evolve with photographic memory.

Looks like it still hasn't sunk in yet. Cell division is not natural selection cell division is a re-production of current avaliable DNA. Okay?

Hence the reason it is called an analogy. It isn't meant to be exactly the same it is meant to explain something. Cell division is a better analogy than total randomness because evolution isn't random, it is a process that takes a lot of small changes, added over long periods of time to create something complex.

A mutation is not an advancement of complexity in DNA. So you can't use the environment for it to be passed on even. If white moths and black moths are existing and the bark of the trees is black, the black moths survive predators. That doesn't mean the moths mutated, it just made the white month extinct. There was no DNA complexity added, nature is just going according to what exists. The white moths did not turn into black ones.

That is exactly how evolution works. Things don't turn into other things, they have minor chances over thousands of generations and some continue to pass on their genes while other die.

Have you got a 3 billion year old fossil? Do you realize how different things could have been billions of years ago and that most of it would be underground? It's useless saying that you have old fossils and that proves you know what went on billions of years ago. You have no idea what condition the earth has been in before. Continents could have been covered in lava for all you know. You can't assume that you know what was alive billions of years ago from a few fragments of rock.

Yes we do have 3 billion year old fossils. There are Stromatolites from 3.5 billion years ago.

Stromatolite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We know what the earth was like back then due to fossils and evidence gained from layers deep within rocks and stuff like that. Unlike you who just makes stuff up, scientist use actual evidence to know what happened in the past.

hahahaha. The bacteria didn't do jack. Evolution didn't even have a theory about what would happen with it. All they knew was that mutations would occur as it lives and re-produces. That doesn't prove we can grow out of bacteria.

Yes evolution does have a theory on what would happen, that the bacteria would change and adapt, and it did.

If I take a bite out of an apple, and leave it on the bench for weeks. Mold will grow on it and the apple will rot, bacteria will be attracted to consume it. The bacteria will change and grow as it consumes the apple and lives, similar to the experiment you referenced to. But it won't quite make it into a human being, it won't live up to your fantasy and be able to organize itself into a beautiful blonde female I'm afraid. You are more or less suggesting that if you brought a blow up doll, and left it in your room, that it could eventually come to life and re-organize it's structure. Over billions of years it would evolve into your girlfriend, somehow. Or perhaps a banana tree would evolve into an apple tree, because people in the area travel more with apples, and so it benefits the banana tree to turn into an apple tree so it can spread around more. That's your theory isn't it? Beneficial adaptions changed it into an apple tree. But somehow the banana tree remains. So half of it changed. Like we have monkeys today and humans. Half and half changed.

There is a difference between an individual organism growing up, from say a child to an adult, and generations changing with the passing of genes. When you pass genes on from generation to generation, the process is no perfect so you get small variations and errors along the way and that is how evolution occurs.

It's not possible for us to change this dramatically without some serious genetic engineering, just like that blow up doll is not going to become your girlfriend without some serious programming, even the hardware from your local electronic store would not be enough to modify it into a human. The blow up doll just doesn't have the DNA information for the job. Even after trillions of years it's not possible. Same as bacteria in the ocean just doesn't have what it takes to become a human. I'm surprised that you could even believe in such a fantasy.

It would take serious genetic engineering or a lot of time, evolution just happens to use a long time. You don't seem to realize how minor changes can stack up to really big changes over extremely long periods of time. Even a living person wouldn't evolve over a million years because we are not talking about individual people. We are talking about groups and passing genes on from parent to child. Any example you give that doesn't involve passing traits on to the next generation doesn't really fit.

Wood, bricks, and other elements are made up of atoms, and guess what, so are living organisms. Living organism are just programmed differently in a way more complex way and so they are able to function in a more complex manner.

That doesn't even make sense, you are just making stuff up again. Being made up of atoms doesn't make something a living organism. By the definition of the words a brick isn't an organism. Also bricks and wood are not elements.

According to your theory we went from stardust, to the earth, to humans, ever since the 'big bang' so your theory has to include inanimate objects like wood and bricks, and other elements that make up the universe cause you actually claim that that's where we came from matter after the big bang and stardust evolved into us through random chance.

No it doesn't, evolution doesn't say anything about inanimate objects at all. Evolution deals only with living organisms changing over time from generation to generation. It doesn't go back to the big bang, that is a separate theory all together, dealing with another issue.

Matter that exploded out of a magical big bang that actually came from nothing and no-where and benefited by changing into a human. This is your claim. That out of the nothingness it all fell into place and re-arranged itself. You are saying something worse than a blow up doll that existed trillions of years ago floated around in space to eventually re-arranged itself to the point where it built a spaceship and landed on earth and seeked you out as your girlfriend. That's about as much chance as your theory has of working. Maybe you are so attractive that the blow up doll in space benefited from evolving itself and would survive better knowing that you existed.

You seem to be mixing up different subjects now. Apparently modern science is to complex for you to understand.

Just admit it, god exists as the designer of it. Even if you have a computer to design a software program, it's not going to write the code on it's own. Nothing has ever existed without a designer. No theory has ever worked without taking action as a living being with a purpose of designing it.

Pretty much everything before humans came along was created without a designer. Evolution clearly explains how complex life forms came from simple life forms, you just refuse to understand it. I don't think you are even trying to understand it. However, your failure to understand something doesn't make it any less true or factual.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Lol - Debra trollin the king of trollz!

I feel physically sick.

I'm going to have a lie down and 4 valiums and a glass of wine before i have to pick the kids up from school

how did this post become about a depressed suburban mom so fast

what are you doing, carusaul


alright time for bed

Sorry

What's a troll?




:sorry::sorry::sorry:

A troll is someone who does not mean what they say, and they are claiming to believe something just to rile up others for fun.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

4 valiums and a glass of wine

You're still the trollmaster!

Since I've been gone I noticed that knight admitted to being schizophrenic. Only he phrased it wrong, he said he had schizophrenia. I'd hate to break it to you, but it looks like it's come back in full force buddy.

^ Yeah, somebody pointed that fact out to me, so I won't be arguing with him anymore.

It was pretty obvious from the beginning.

Hmmm... you assume I've been following this thread from the beginning? Or other of his threads? Not at all - I've just seen a few posts from him here and there. I don't know how to diagnose schizophrenia (I can barely spell it), and as I said, it could have been several other things including trollage or religious sheltering from reality.

I didn't necessarily assume it, but I did have the suspicion. The way he antagonized me in his disclosure thread (despite the fact that I'm one of this forum's bigger supporters of disclosure) clued me in to the possibility that he struggled with an ability to think rationally. The way he used people's avatars, sigs, etc to judge them indicated that he was pulling meaning out of obscurity.

Unfortunately it appears his treatment has taken a downward turn. I certainly hope for the best.

On that note, thread over, I'll be locking it sometime soon. Thanks for the input guys.

-The Admin Team

To be fair, it is actually fairly common for religiously indoctrinated people to think like that. People also naturally resistant to new ideas once old ideas have been established in their mind, even if those ideas are totally wrong. So he could very well be suffering from that problem, but it is hard to tell for sure.

Yeah I was on the fence but it seemed like there was more to it. People resistant to new ideas don't typically troll lucid dreaming forums to warn invented enemies that they're going down, after all.

Ah, but if I understood correctly knight did not mean to say that you are his enemies nor that anyone is necessarily going down.

He said relativism was a trick of Satan. He claimed I was a Deceiver.

So? As far as I am remembering he said Satan is going to build an army that consists of most of humanity unified, and there was no mention of burning in hell, or did I miss that?

What exactly did you think happens to people when Satan gets ahold of them?

He's been claiming to know God's intentions better than anyone else - including even the strongest of Christians. Better than any Bible scholar, or preacher, or minister, or pastor in the world. And he claims everyone who is less intolerant than him will become Satan's minions (ie burn in hell). Especially those who claim to be Christians but have relativistic beliefs (ie live and let live, the Bible is metaphor etc).

Ah, but the thing is that his beliefs are not those of any denomination, and do not follow a specific school of thought, and thus I am not sure it is safe to assume that he believes that Satan's followers will all burn in hell, unless he specifically stated that.

Ok - since I was never religious it's possible there are some kind of technicalities I don't know about that a religious person does, so I'll go ahead and ask.

Is it possible for a person to become a follower of Satan, through either choice or deceit, and still go to heaven when they die? I mean, atheists don't get into heaven, right? And atheists are totally neutral on the issue - they don't believe in either God or Satan, so how could somebody allow themselves to be turned away from God by Satan and still get into heaven? Surely in any denomination that's a worse sin than atheism?