There is no such thing as Christianity. This statement may sound strange coming from someone who calls herself a Christian. |
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It seems to be, debate is open, that Christianity wants to put out a logical argument against atheism that can create a middle ground. |
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There is no such thing as Christianity. This statement may sound strange coming from someone who calls herself a Christian. |
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You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one - John Lennon
They are all based off superstition. You can't really call yourself a Christian in any way at all, and also believe that it is compatible with science. Sure, a lot of people try to say they are really into science and also a Christian but they are just in denial and their beliefs don't match up at all. In fact, I would say most people now a days realize religion isn't true but they have always been Christians so just kind of follow along with it, even though they don't have a strong belief in it. |
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It's true that the term Christianity really was never used until - was it sometime in the 80's? Before that each denomination considered itself separate and they were largely at war with each other as much as with atheism. I believe it was during some important anti-evolution hearing that all the various Christian denominations realized if they all group themselves together against the common enemy they could create a united front with much more power than a bunch of little splinter groups. Thus was Christianity conceived. |
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I have a very strong belief in Christianity and I would say that my spirituality is becoming more important to me as time goes by. I also have no problems accepting the truth of science. The two to me are compatible. The problem is that some Christians grasp too tightly the parts of the bible that should not be taken literally and insist on contradictions where there should not be any. Jesus had a saying "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are Gods." I think this applies to science just as much as it applied to Caesar. |
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Last edited by JoannaB; 06-30-2013 at 10:02 PM.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one - John Lennon
Of course - the supposed unification was never in anything but name - it was just a convenient legal union to create a unified front and gain greater political power. Individually, no one group held anywhere near the power of the atheist community, but with all denominations combined they actually outnumbered atheists. This is the only reason they are able to come so close time and time again to getting Creationism taught in schools. Heh - atheists actually should take notes and combine with all religions other than Christianity, since we all share a disbelief in Yaveh. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 06-30-2013 at 10:15 PM.
Well this may surprise some of you, but Jesus came down to try and end religion. Religion is man's way of reaching God. But you can't reach God. God's standard is perfection, and no one on Earth is perfect. So, Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins, so whoever believes that and accepts that may have eternal life in Heaven. And there're so many prophecies from the Bible that have been fulfilled. People predicted these things, and thousands of years later they happened! I don't know them all, cause there's hundreds, but feel free to look some up if you'd like. But in all truth, there is no real proof to disprove the Bible. |
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Wait - Jesus came to end religion, so we should all worship him? |
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Yes...you have probably never read the Bible based on your argument, where it clearly states what Jesus did and why. So before telling me I'm wrong please have the proper argument to back it up. I'm not trying to be a douche, just saying you know what you know, and I know what I know. Your belief is up to you, I was just clearing up a big misconception. |
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To add a small thought to the very insightful replies in this thread, I'd also would like to point out that it's not just "science" that defies god. In fact, there are simple premises to be analysed when anyone, regardless of their "division" in terms of belief, states something about god, that use simple reasoning. |
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No, that would not mean he's lusted! And God has destroyed the Earth once, and intends on doing it again(could be today, or a million years, who knows). Now do those sound like moral choices? God gives us free will and has his own. He can't break character though, that is true. But that is so he can be who he can be. He does this so our free will is not broken. |
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Ok, well you obviously take the Bible literally. That's a rather extreme view, and if I argue against it then I risk being seen as taking the opposing extremist view, that of strong atheism (the belief that there is no god, which is quite different from a lack of belief in any gods). I should learn not to take the bait when people make these easy target claims, but sometimes it's just too easy not to - hey, I never claimed to be perfect! |
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God can't be perfect if he does the stuff the bible says he does, which are often outright evil and disgusting. |
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When they put Jesus' corpse in the crypt, he was actually in a quantum super position for 3 days, until an angel investigated the isolated chamber. If nobody had ever gone there, he would still be in a simultaneous state of alive/dead to this day, and our sins would both be forgiven and not forgiven. This truly shows God's benevolence, hallelujah. |
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Well of course the whole religion comes from the middle east a couple of millennia ago, so none of the stonings, genocides, restrictions on women or any of the rest of it should be at all surprising. |
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God wiped out humanity once because the world was what its like today. He wanted to restart, and even gave the chance for people to save themselves but they didn't listen to Noah, who warned them. But since humans made the shit hit the fan again, God gave us an easy way into Heaven. He has never sinned, because its against his character to do so. How is destroying your own creation a sin? And then giving it a second chance to redeem itself? And then giving us the easiest way possible to get into Heaven? I'm telling ya, some people just don't understand. It's hard to explain, because I'm still only about 1.5 years into my Christian walk, but it all comes together. I understand you atheists love to debate it and laugh at us, but give us a break!!! We don't walk around all day saying "Too bad they're going to hell..." No no no, we feel bad for people. But, what you believe is up to you. I was just trying to help explain some common misconceptions. |
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Why would God put atheists in hell? For misunderstanding and refusing to believe without proof? I don't believe God who loves all humans and understands human nature would do that. Only God knows of course what happens after death, but I would be surprised if an atheist who is a good person were punished by God. Of course, there is the option that God loves humans so much that he is even willing to stop loving those who do not want his love. But given how I believe that God's love is like that of a parent, I think that is unlikely after all. |
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Last edited by JoannaB; 07-01-2013 at 02:23 PM.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one - John Lennon
He doesn't put them in hell. God loves us all, no matter what. But His standard for Heaven is perfection, and all have sinned on this Earth. So we don't meet the standard. That's why God sent His Son to die for our sins, so that if we believe with our free will we can get into Heaven. People who say stuff like "Fuck you God" or something like that he still loves. Everyone is equal in his eyes. Galatians 3:28 is great example of this. "For there is neither Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free man, male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." God can't just pull everyone into Heaven or make everyone on Earth perfect. He wants us to have free will. If you're an athiest, would you like not being able to do everything you love on Earth? Of course not. That's why we have the choice to believe or not! And being a good person means nothing, because once again, God wants perfection! Since we can't get perfection we have Christ's death to pay for our sins past, present, and future. Ephesians 2:8,9 is another great example. "For you are saved by faith through grace, and this is not of yourselves; it is the free gift of God. And this is not of your works, so that no one may boast." And Joanna, you're confusing me which side you're on. Lol |
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Last edited by Zoth; 07-01-2013 at 04:05 PM.
Why didn't God warn them himself? If people wouldn't listen to a crazy man raving about "THE END TIMES", why didn't just warn them all himself? Also, if God had to restart, doesn't that mean he made a mistake? If he made a mistake, wouldn't that mean he is not perfect? |
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Because we're created in God's image. And no, Noah didn't reach the whole world, but he told everyone who lived by him. They had the chance to start a new population. I did further research, and God did in fact give the people of Earth several chances to fix themselves, but they freely chose not to listen. And in fact, humanity was more fucked up than it is now. There was literally like no one who ever did good. It was like today's world on steroids. Plus, sin is not doing bad things! Sin is not doing what God Himself says to do. So God can say "I'm going to destroy the evil on this Earth so there can be good again." and this is not sin. For example, God told Abram to murder his own son. Abram attempted but God stopped him. It was a faith test. Even if he'd murdered Isaac it would not be sin, because he did as God said. But God told him to stop, so it would be a sin if he disobeyed. We simply have the Bible to know what is sin and what is not. It's no rule book. Plus, everyone who wrote it spoke from God's understanding, not their own. I'm tired of writing out verses, but a good back up for this point is 2 Peter 1:20-21 if you'd like to read it. |
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I am really glad you bring up the passage about Abraham and Isaac. |
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You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one - John Lennon
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