Hello. Im just wondering, if i told you that the Quran(muslim holy book) says that the universe is expanding. Would you accept it to be the word of god. Im just wondering. Please be open minded also |
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Most holy scriptures have passages which can be interpreted in a way, so that they seem consistent with discoveries made in nature science. You have to consider whether you would have drawn the same knowledge from the scripture, if you had no knowledge of the actual scientific consensus. Our brain is absolutely brilliant at filling in the blanks in what we hear and read, especially when we want it to. |
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Last edited by Marvo; 07-04-2013 at 10:25 PM.
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Srry posted it twice |
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Provide some context. Who is "We" and what is heaven? |
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In the quran. The word heaven is used as the universe. The word in arabic samma means universe. The word jannah means heaven. (Look it up) in english we translate samma and jannah both as heaven |
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You have to consider the context of the world at that time as well. On planet Earth, we were still constantly discovering new land, different climates and animal and plant species. The people of the Middle East, ie. where the Bible and Quaran originated from, would constantly meet new people as well, who looked wildly different from themselves. |
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God rarely uses I in the quran. We is more formal. Sort of like when a king sends a letter and it says we here by declare or something like that. Look up "why does god use we in the quran" |
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Last edited by gab; 07-05-2013 at 01:54 AM. Reason: posts merged
I just wanted to know whether "We" refered to God or the scribes, where the scribes represent humans. |
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Last edited by Marvo; 07-04-2013 at 10:17 PM.
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But this is not the only thing. There is a verse in the quran that says as follows |
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I don't see how that little tale has any connection to expansion of the universe. It seemingly explains that non-believers are shrouded in darkness, and they will only see the light when Allah decides. |
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There is another verse in the quran that says that |
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Last edited by gab; 07-05-2013 at 01:55 AM. Reason: posts merged
...so the fact that the Quran has an offhand mention of something which everybody knows to be true is evidence that the entire thing is the word of God? |
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This doesn't really prove anything. Skin in this context obviously refers to the mortal's flesh. Once it is reduced to ashes, it is given new flesh, so that it may suffer again. |
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So youre saying that everybody in the middle east 1400 years ago knew that the bottom of the ocean is pure darkness. |
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The quran also says |
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Yeah no. Everytime you bring up a new tale, I point out how it could mean pretty much anything, and your kneejerk reaction is just pull out some new verse or some such, which supposedly could be construed to mean something, in the context of modern science. |
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Why? |
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Last edited by gab; 07-05-2013 at 01:55 AM. Reason: posts merged
Last edited by Darkmatters; 07-04-2013 at 11:01 PM.
If you want Rchaouk, I'd like to see you respond to one of my initial points/arguments in this thread. |
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BY WHAT HIDES. first of all street sweepers don't hide and why would a person just randomly write about something that sweeps and hides? |
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Last edited by gab; 07-05-2013 at 01:56 AM. Reason: posts merged
I could understand if god is telling this in a story but he's not. |
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