Originally Posted by Xei
for instance, gravity is a thing but gravity is not material.
I'd like to point out that even gravity is subject to the laws of reason, so while your analogy is true insofar as it concerns things that are immaterial, gravity is still not something of the same kind as logic. Logic is above even gravity, or any of the laws of nature.
Originally Posted by Xei
I'll leave it for Noogah to say whether he means the same thing. I didn't find his "definition" sufficient to understand what he is referring to.
I am unsure if this was a mere technicality you meant to discuss with Sageous, or whether you mean this to be our continued avenue of discussion.
In my last post, I listed what I consider to be a few obvious attributes of LOGIC, whatever else it may be.
And , if nothing more, I am sure that we will both agree the laws of logic (and of reason) are truths, and furthermore, truths about truths.
Originally Posted by Sageous
to say the same things to each other almost 50 times each, with I assume the full knowledge that the other guy will never accept, understand, or even acknowledge the validity of your repeated points.
I, for one, am here to defend the truth. That is why I will keep coming back, even if the discussion ever feels, to me, monotonous.
HOWEVER, to Xei's credit, I don't personally feel like we have been saying the same things at all. I daresay I have enjoyed my conversation with him, precisely because he has continued to think deeply on this subject, and has therefore made for a very thought-provoking discussion.
But in the end, it certainly isn't all fun, because I believe that Xei believes a lie, and a damning lie as well. I pray for him every day. This is not mere theoretical bluster - this is about our lives, and indeed about life itself. I could never in good conscience abandon it.
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