Thread: I Hate Evil

To hate is a very LOW level of being. To be more GOD like, try understanding with love in your heart, then you will know the love of goodness and grace.

Originally Posted by kadie

To hate is a very LOW level of being. To be more GOD like, try understanding with love in your heart, then you will know the love of goodness and grace.

you know I didn't ask for your opinion kadie. But I assume it does irritate you, since you see it as ' a very low level of being' to hate evil.

Do you hear yourself? Lol what ever. Hate all you want.

What do you mean by evil? What is right or wrong is a very grey area. Do you mean things that you consider evil? Or do you mean things that are against the law? And why do you hate it? How do you suggest it will be gone? Do you think that you have never done something that someone else would consider evil? So many question to ask here. Please elaborate on what you are trying to tell us here. And why this is so important to you

Y U Hatin?

Originally Posted by Deanstar

you know I didn't ask for your opinion kadie.

why create a thread with a question if people's opinions aren't accepted? unless you wanted everyone but kadie's opinion.

[Shrugs] Evil is a matter of perspective.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Y U Hatin?

Cause I like it. Why do you hate things? Or do you love everything, including eating poo?

Originally Posted by MrPriority

What do you mean by evil? What is right or wrong is a very grey area. Do you mean things that you consider evil? Or do you mean things that are against the law? And why do you hate it? How do you suggest it will be gone? Do you think that you have never done something that someone else would consider evil? So many question to ask here. Please elaborate on what you are trying to tell us here. And why this is so important to you

That's a lot of questions, MrPriority . Go ahead and answer them first.....I'm listening.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

That's a lot of questions, MrPriority . Go ahead and answer them first.....I'm listening.

Well they are questions directed at you. For me to answer them, I'd have to see into your mind. Which I can do of course, but [imput lame excuse here] I can't answer them for you. I'm not sure why you would want me to.

I could answer them from my point of view, but I don't see why that would be relevant here since this is your thread. I can answer your original question though if you want. "No I do not find it irritating. I don't really believe in true evil to begin with. There are definitely things wrong in the world right now. But I won't say it is because of evil. And I am not irritated, but rather motivated to do something about it."

I'm still interested in your opinion on the matter. Since you seem to feel to deeply about this. I still hope you will answer at least some of my questions, though you are not obligated to answer any of them of course.

Originally Posted by MrPriority

I still hope you will answer at least some of my questions, though you are not obligated to answer any of them of course.

Why would I say anything with your judgment that it's a 'lame excuse' before I even answer your questions? Is that your way of being open minded? I was in fact asking your point of view because they were your questions. You brang them up yes? I'm giving you an oppportunity to explain yourself. If you can't explain what you mean by your own questions, then neither will I answer your questions. As your questions do not even make sense to be answered, that's why we both refused to answer them isn't it.

Originally Posted by MrPriority

"No I do not find it irritating. I don't really believe in true evil to begin with. There are definitely things wrong in the world right now. But I won't say it is because of evil.

This doesn't make any sense either. You say things are wrong in the world, but not because of evil. The very definition of something wrong is to do with evil not good. If someone molests a child or rapes someone, that's not evil to you? Most normal people would find your statement contradictory and to have disgusting implications.

(your post it note avatar, is very ironic right now)

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Why would I say anything with your judgment that it's a 'lame excuse' before I even answer your questions? Is that your way of being open minded?

I am sorry, I think we misunderstand each other here. I said: I can see into your mind. But not right now, with a lame excuse. To me that was a clear joke, since nobody can see into anybodies mind. It's like saying: My homework isn't finished because [insert lame excuse here]. The dog ate it, for instance. There was no judgment there. Just a joke.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

If you can't explain what you mean by your own questions, then neither will I answer your questions. As your questions do not even make sense to be answered, that's why we both refused to answer them isn't it.

I never refused to answer anything. I only told you that it doesn't make sense for me to answer questions directed to you. Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't see how the questions don't make sense to be answered, so I guess I will just break it down for you one question at a time.

question #1: What do you mean by evil?
As I said later on, I don't really believe in evil. So I guess I did answer this question first. It's a pretty open question, but I don't see how it doesn't make sense.

question #2: Do you mean things that you consider evil?
Again pretty straight forward to me. It would make no sense for me to answer this one, since I don't really believe in evil. But you do, so I am wondering if you are talking about an evil from your perspective, or if you perhaps believe that evil is something that we can all agree on.

question #3: Or do you mean things that are against the law?
If you believe evil is something that we can all agree on, do you perhaps mean things that are illegal? Since that is evil that pretty much our society mostly agrees on. That's why it's illegal. Again, since I don't believe in evil in the first place, it wouldn't make sense to answer this question. But you do. This is another question where I am trying to understand how you define evil. Since it is such a grey area.

question #4: And why do you hate it?
Hate is a very strong emotion. I am interested why you feel so strongly about this. Since I don't believe in evil to begin with, again this would be a pretty weird question for me to answer.

question #5: How do you suggest it will be gone?
Since you post this thread, and state that you feel so strongly about this, I think you must have thought about this for a while. So I am wondering how far ahead you have thought. If evil does exist, than saying you hate it seems logical to me. But it's far more interesting to actually hear a proposed solution. Again, I don't believe in evil, so this would be a really weird question for me to answer.

question #6: Do you think that you have never done something that someone else would consider evil?
Again, a pretty straight forward question to me. I guess I could answer this one first if you want to. "Yes, I think I have probably done something that someone else considered evil." Still, this question also makes more sense for you to answer. If evil is not something that we can all agree on and maybe just a perspective, then maybe you have done evil too. So then do you hate yourself too? I ask these things to see if you can properly defend your statement. If you can, then maybe I should reconsider how I think about things.

In the end I don't really see how it is valuable for me to answer question about evil that I don't believe in. It makes no sense to me. However, since you not only believe in evil, but also hate it. I think the questions are very sensible for you to answer.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Most normal people would find your statement contradictory and to have disgusting implications.
(your post it note avatar, is very ironic right now)

Rather then saying what most people think, I would appreciate it if you would stick to what you think. Whether or not either of us has an accurate understanding of what the general public thinks, has little to do with this thread I'd say. I'll just assume this is what you also think. Please do correct me if I'm wrong here.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

This doesn't make any sense either. You say things are wrong in the world, but not because of evil. The very definition of something wrong is to do with evil not good. If someone molests a child or rapes someone, that's not evil to you?

Ah finally, this is a good question. And I'd be happy to answer it. I believe people have a reason for everything. I have seen multiple documentaries on child molesters. And a lot of them actually hate them selves. They don't want to feel completely aroused by little kids. But they simply can't help it. Sooner or later they can't stop themselves anymore. So I feel bad for them. I think they are simply "sick". And I want to help them. I don't hate them. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what they did. But I don't think that makes them evil and I don't hate them for that. I'd much rather discover why they did it. I'd go one step further and say we shouldn't punish them. I'd say we should help them. Help them help themselves.

So, if you still feel like my questions make no sense, please show me what it is that's not sensible to you. I still would like you to answer my questions, if you can. Although I am getting the impression that you just don't want to answer them. Perhaps I am misinterpreting that. But if you do, then let me say this again. I am totally fine with that.

Deanstar, you realize that hating things is why "evil" exists in the first place, right? I naturally tend to hate everything, but I'm doing my fucking damnedest to change that because I can easily see that all the evil I could see in the world, all the bad, all the negative, it literally spawns from me. The more I hate things, the more evil exists. If you wish to see the day evil vanishes from existence, change yourself, not the world.

Originally Posted by MrPriority

I am sorry, I think we misunderstand each other here. I said: I can see into your mind. But not right now, with a lame excuse.

you wrote: " I'd have to see into your mind. Which I can do of course, but [imput lame excuse here] I can't answer them for you". That very much sounds like you were saying that my answers are lame excuses. Put it down to a poor choice of words then? Remember you don't get to claim you can see into my mind now. Since I have answered the questions totally different to you now....That is why I asked you first. You still avoided the majority of your questions, you didn't attempt to answer it from my perspective. But I won't strain you too much since you made some effort I'll tell you.

question #1: What do you mean by evil?
As I said later on, I don't really believe in evil.

When you are unclear about a particular word. There is always a thing called the dictionary. So lets use it....

Evil: morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked:
harmful; injurious:
characterized or accodue to actual or imputed bad conduct or character:
the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
the wicked or immoral part of someone or something
harm; mischief; misfortune
anything causing injury or harm
a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence:
(Evil | Define Evil at Dictionary.com)

When you say you don't believe in evil. That litrally means you don't mind me punching you in the face, um..braking your legs. Stealing all the money in your bank account.
Burning down your house. Taking your wife? You don't believe in evil, so it's all neutral....I would never do those things but wow dude. If you are going to approve of anything than start with yourself as the victim and see if it's ok for bloodthirsty people to have their way cause they sure having their way with others right now. Your philosophy you can put it down to insanity.

question #2: Do you mean things that you consider evil?
Again pretty straight forward to me. It would make no sense for me to answer this one, since I don't really believe in evil.

Lets take those things I mentioned above. They are examples of me doing something wrong to you. How is this not obvious?

question #3: Or do you mean things that are against the law?
If you believe evil is something that we can all agree on, do you perhaps mean things that are illegal?

In fact since you don't believe in evil. The very rule of law wouldn't even have a purpose would it. So why does it exist? The rule of law is to get justice. Justice against wrongdoing akka evil.

question #4: And why do you hate it?
Hate is a very strong emotion. I am interested why you feel so strongly about this.

One of the most stupid questions asked of me before. I hate it because wickedness, and wrongdoing, is repulsive. It's disgusting hearing about someone that has been raped. It's sad to hear about a family member losing someone due to murder (has happened in my family). It's horrible when someone gets their property stolen, or when someone commits an act of fraud. It's heartbreaking when someone cheats, or when someone is bullied. If I didn't hate these things, I would no longer be human, I would have no dignity and no sense of any conscience.

question #5: How do you suggest it will be gone?

Have I not made it clear that I'm a fundamentalist christian and my hope is in Jesus Christ? Do you not know what is written?
Psalm 37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Proverbs 24:20
For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.
Psalm 37:10
For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

If you have read the book of revelation. The LORD makes it clear that there is coming a time where all wickedness will be GONE. That is his judgment in the reign of his eternal kingdom.

question #6: Do you think that you have never done something that someone else would consider evil?

No-one can say they have lived a perfect life. That honor is with Jesus Christ only. That's why the only way you can be justified and saved is through Jesus Christ.

Your questions prove very relevant, but....why do you need this explained? Why should anyone need what I just said explained. Shouldn't such principles and knowledge be nothing more than a basic level of education and understanding. Together with a very basic level of critical thinking and such things should be completely obvious unless you are in a cult or become brainwashed.

From your perspective everyone that acts evil must be 'sick'. But not every psychopath is put into a mental ward. I think this video was made for people that believe 'assholes' are just 'sick' people haha. Check it out it's funny.

I think what my main problem with the statement "I Hate Evil" is that evil does not exist in itself. evil is the antinomy of good like darkness if the antinomy of light. However neither evil nor darkness exist on themselves but are simply verbal labels we have made to describe the dearth of good or light. The flip side does not apply though: good can exist without evil and light can exist without darkness. We as humans have a tendency to reify abstract concepts like antinomies as if they have an independent objective existence in and of themselves.

What is the more useful state of mind here: to hate evil or to love good? One seeks to destroy an intangible concept and the other seeks to maximise the concrete. I know which of the two I would rather possess.

You as a Christian should understand this. "Love your enemies" Jesus preaches because he understood and chose the more positive of the two mindsets.

Originally Posted by DeviantThinker

You as a Christian should understand this..

Do you not know what is written....

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Maybe this is not clear enough for you...lets try something a little more straightforward.

Psalm 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.


God hates evil, and so do I...........and you didn't know this? lolz

Ok, fair enough criticism there but the rest of my post still applies.

Originally Posted by DeviantThinker

Ok, fair enough criticism there but the rest of my post still applies.

No it does not. I already answered that issue with the other guy, read the post above that makes it very clear evil does exist. If evil didn't exist we would have a perfect world. The wicked are what is wrong with the planet.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

I despise Evil. I just can't help but really, really hate it. With a passion. I hate it so much that I am gleefully waiting the day when it will be gone forever.

Does this irritate anyone here?


"YOUR religion this, and YOUR religion THAT"

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Evil is a part of evolution. When we compete, we create losers who will think evil came there way.

We all do evil so why do you do evil?

If it is a part of evolution, then to hate it is to hate what made you you.

Do you hate yourself for the evils you will continue to do?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Gnostic

If it is a part of evolution, then to hate it is to hate what made you you.
Regards
DL

Evolution is a fantasy, and I have always said that. Evolution never created anything. I want nothing to do with Evil.

Kind regards.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Evolution is a fantasy, and I have always said that. Evolution never created anything. I want nothing to do with Evil.

Kind regards.

Why. God created it for his pleasure. Why can you not see the pleasing part of evil?

If you want nothing to do with evil then you want nothing to do with good because God used duality here with a tree with only one fruit that contains both good and evil.

Enjoy evil. Your God created it for you to enjoys as scriptures say he enjoys.

Aren't you supposed to emulate your God?

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

you wrote: " I'd have to see into your mind. Which I can do of course, but [imput lame excuse here] I can't answer them for you". That very much sounds like you were saying that my answers are lame excuses. Put it down to a poor choice of words then?

I still think it was obviously a joke. There was even a smiley face in there. But I can see that if you see that line thinking it is not one, it can be offensive. I did not mean for that. If you want to put it down to a poor choice of words, sure. Whatever floats your boat.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Remember you don't get to claim you can see into my mind now. Since I have answered the questions totally different to you now....That is why I asked you first. You still avoided the majority of your questions, you didn't attempt to answer it from my perspective. But I won't strain you too much since you made some effort I'll tell you.

Let me get this straight. So you wanted me to answer my own question, from your perspective? Why? I really do not understand how this works. I ask you a question because I am interested in your opinion, or I did not understand something. I really don't see any value in answering my own questions pointed towards you, from your perspective. And I have to say, I have never met anyone who asked that. But you seem to think this is totally logical. So, what am I missing here?

Originally Posted by Deanstar

When you are unclear about a particular word. There is always a thing called the dictionary. So lets use it....

Yes and no. A dictionary does not state the rules for words. It is in fact the other way around. The language is spoken by the people. If tomorrow everyone starts to reverse black and white, that does not mean they say it wrong. That means the dictionary has it wrong. And in time the dictionary will adapt to the new meaning. A dictionary is there to best help you understand a language. Not to limit your use of it. There are many ways words that can mean a variety of different things not in the dictionary. For example: Slang. When a group of people makes up a new word that slowly gets popular. If it gets popular enough, it will be implemented in the dictionary. This does not mean that the word means nothing as long as it's not in there. There are more ways where a word can mean different things to different people. That is why I asked you to define your idea of evil.

Not to mention that I find it plain rude to assume that your own understanding of a word is the only possible one. Even if you were to be right, it's not going to get a conversation any further by ridiculing someone over how they use their words. If someone asks you a question and you don't know why, I would ask them why they ask that, or what they mean. Or you know, just answer the question.

I do agree that we should strive to talk as close to what is in the dictionary as possible, though. Since that will make it easier to understand each other. But you can't just say: This is what the word literally means, so I will assume everyone only uses it like this. And if they do not they are, as you put it: In a cult or brainwashed.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

When you say you don't believe in evil. That litrally means you don't mind me punching you in the face, um..braking your legs. Stealing all the money in your bank account.
Burning down your house. Taking your wife? You don't believe in evil, so it's all neutral....I would never do those things but wow dude. If you are going to approve of anything than start with yourself as the victim and see if it's ok for bloodthirsty people to have their way cause they sure having their way with others right now. Your philosophy you can put it down to insanity.

I can give a millions things wrong with this, but I guess this comes from the idea I stated above. Language is not math. One word doesn't equal another one (most of the time). Also again, please do not put words into my mouth. What you just said implies that I approve of evil. But I said I don't believe in it.

You continue on this assumption for a while. With more ridiculing. But at least now you are finally answering some questions and we are getting somewhere. So thank you for that.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Have I not made it clear that I'm a fundamentalist christian and my hope is in Jesus Christ? Do you not know what is written?
Psalm 37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Proverbs 24:20
For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.
Psalm 37:10
For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

If you have read the book of revelation. The LORD makes it clear that there is coming a time where all wickedness will be GONE. That is his judgment in the reign of his eternal kingdom.


No-one can say they have lived a perfect life. That honor is with Jesus Christ only. That's why the only way you can be justified and saved is through Jesus Christ.

I don't believe you did say that you are a fundamentalist Christian. Your signature hinted towards it. Though I didn't assume you were. If you were after a religious debate, then I am sorry I posted in here. I'm not going there, sorry.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Your questions prove very relevant, but....why do you need this explained? Why should anyone need what I just said explained. Shouldn't such principles and knowledge be nothing more than a basic level of education and understanding. Together with a very basic level of critical thinking and such things should be completely obvious unless you are in a cult or become brainwashed.

I believe this is now answered in the beginning of the post. If not please let me know.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

From your perspective everyone that acts evil must be 'sick'. But not every psychopath is put into a mental ward. I think this video was made for people that believe 'assholes' are just 'sick' people haha. Check it out it's funny.

Again, please do not put words into my mouth. I never said that everyone who acts evil is sick.

Perhaps I am just wasting my time here.

Perhaps I am just wasting my time here.

You are mate, I usually mind my own business when it comes to these things but you seem like you are interested in having a genuine debate and not merely an intellectual circle jerk. I thus feel morally obligated to free you of future wasted time.

Leave this thread for greener pastures.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

No it does not. I already answered that issue with the other guy, read the post above that makes it very clear evil does exist. If evil didn't exist we would have a perfect world. The wicked are what is wrong with the planet.

Care to actually read my post? I know, it must be hard for you to acknowledge it--being that I'm right and all--but ignoring it doesn't help your point.

Sorry to be so passive aggressive but you are seriously just raging for no reason right now and it's all your fault dude.

The only possible valid response to come out of this insanity is to do with Isaiah 45:7 which states;
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"

Now Just because God created evil, doesn't mean that he is directly responsible for evil. It doesn't even make God Evil. It doesn't mean he likes evil. It doesn't mean he wants us to enjoy evil. The main reason why God created evil is to express his wrath on those that choose that path. Just as I hate evil, and enjoy seeing evil being wiped from the face of the earth. I get satisfaction when evil is punished and the retribution of justice. Through free will those that of themself decided to be wicked, get what they deserve. That is for Gods pleasure and for mine, to rule over it, yes. You have a right to choose to be wicked if that's your ultimate desire, and then God has a right to destroy you for it, and I have a right to celebrate that type of destruction. Yeah that's enjoying life to love Good and hate evil.

having said that though, I don't want people to be evil clearly, or to suffer, and I forgive people for basically everything they do because I'm not the judge and I have done evil too. But if someone basically has decided to commit their life to evil no matter what and REJECT the son of God. This is a case of getting rid of the weeds and seperating from people that are good at heart.

People who say evil doesn't exist because of some philosophy in their head. I see that as childish, immature, irresponsible.