I challenge you. The notion of God is so liquid that it's impossible to disprove that I am God. You can ask me questions in a way that exposes that I am not God.
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I challenge you. The notion of God is so liquid that it's impossible to disprove that I am God. You can ask me questions in a way that exposes that I am not God.
Whats the color of my underwear?
Loepah
GINSAN is the new prophet!
I'm creating Ginsanism in Brazil right now, sooner I will spread your words of wisdom all over the world ┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓
While you're at it, convince them to read and watch Bleach too. Use the famous line "Do to others as you would have them do to you." if people don't believe you at first. In Bleach, the protagonist clearly beats the living shit out of his enemies and their friends, just like his enemies do to him and his friends. Now, if you are a great fan of Bleach , as I am, you will find out that Ichigo has an enormously masochistic personality, Ichigo is clearly following Jesus' example, he is doing to others what he would like to have done to himself. I leave the discovery of why Ichigo is a masochist to you, my sweet child.
Moved to Religion/spirituality
1. Who or what is God?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
2. Who or what is this "I" that you claim to be?
1. I will not give you that. In my near-infinite wisdom I decided that it's better for you to find out for yourself.
2. The process that gives rise to the thoughts of "I", or me, is more complex than I can understand and you with your limited processing power cannot possibly comprehend this complexity.
Thread Title: Disprove that I am not GodQuote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
1.That contradicts itself.
2.Post an algorithm that solves the travelling salesman problem in polynomial time , if non such solution exists than post the mathematical proof.
1. It's important to challenge the intelligence of human beings and keep it sharp, so I added that contradiction to encourage rational thought and expose lack thereof in people that didn't notice it.
2. With the first response in mind, I hope you can understand why I won't give you that algorithm. This is yet another opportunity for you and your sisters and brothers (all human beings) to learn.
1.Why do you normally only directly talk to people that suffer from strong dehydration?
They are hallucinating. So are the people in other extreme circumstances that think they hear, feel or see me. I added this quirk to the brain to help people realise that I exist and to help them get on with their life after their traumatic experience.
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Originally Posted by Ginsan
How come? God normally does the opposite.
I know what you are trying to say but I won't respond unless you make an effort to elaborate.
All Monotheistic religions expect as your first sacrifice to them your logic thinking.
I advise you to investigate your reasons for saying that. When you have, I advise you to see your lack of insight and accept it as part of your nature.
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Originally Posted by Ginsan
Well... If you wont answear those question with anything else than excuses for why you can't or shouldn't answear my questions. Then I would say that you have already exposed yourself enough to not being God as you suggested. And what is the challenge in reading meaningless answears by someone who is trying to play God?Quote:
You can ask me questions in a way that exposes that I am not God.
So you are basicaly saying that you are limited then.. Maybe the word God is nothing more than a person with limited knowledge for you?Quote:
The process that gives rise to the thoughts of "I", or me, is more complex than I can understand
Even the wisdom of God is limited. As wise as I am, the process giving rise to my wisdom requires even more wisdom to comprehend it. You may see these as excuses, but if advise you to crack the cranks that brain that I gave you and see the true wisdom in my words.
So you claim to know a lot of things without giving any other answear than saying that people should figure out the answears to their own quesions. And I would sure belive that to be true if I actually would have talked with God. But since I and everybody else who look at this thread, know that this is a type of mindgame/trolling. By a person who feel that he speaking some kind of wisdom, for bouncing all question back to those who asking. So if that is your strategy for claiming to be God, then everybody have to be God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
And you stil didn't express what you belived God to be. So what is God to you? Since you try to play God.
This forum is merely one of the ways in which I spread wisdom and encourage people to think rationally. Your description of my answer as "bouncing them back" exposes that you have a lot to learn, my dear child.
That's great that you encourage people to think rationally. But why not trying it yourself for a change?:) Your so wise and smart that you dont need to reply back with anything else than that you are so wise and smart. I now see why this is such a great challange that you provide us with. It must be a great challange for anyone to think that you are God or understand what you even mean by the word God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
I feel truly honored for all this wisdom that you are spreading here, because what would this forum be without trolling.. right?;) So bow down for the almighty troll!:D
You have a strong sense of humor, "DreamyBear".
I know, it's funny because it's true..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
Alright you got me man :P The point I was trying to make was that as long as someone is dishonest, it becomes very difficult to argue with her. I don't know if I succeeded, I don't know how hard you tried in pointing out my bullshit, you didn't seem to have too much difficulty :P. But I see people doing this (defending bullshit) in debates so often and wanted to try it myself.
Yaay!:D Hehe yeah I could feel what you where going for with all this, but atleast it was for a good reason you did it.:) Yeah it might be possible to defend an false idea for a whole life time, if it's not looked at from different angels until it collapses. For me personaly it is more important to look for the truth than being right myself, so I have so far realized that I've been fooling myself many times aswell. And will probably continue to do so for some x amount of time. But however, being honest is always the best way to aim for. And that will of course involve to be honest to oneself and question oneself about ones belifes. It was a fun challange/game you created here by the way. I dont think too many would have dare to challenge everybody as you did here, so kudos to you for that.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
Murder vs Indifference
I think this is a much greater challenge. The ideas in there challenge me almost every day and every time I think about them I admit total defeat. And I think anyone who sees my point will feel something similar, though maybe not as strongly, or even stronger.
I like to be wrong and/or confused about things, because it shows that there is a lot. Even though it's frustrating, when my ego is quiet, it's nice to be wrong. I think 1 step beyond being honest about yourself is to try and let other people see how they are wrong themselves, but this can be difficult to do without being condescending, you have to be clear that you are open for conversation and to change your mind and that you are merely trying to help her or him understand things better.
It might be a greater challange maybe. But questions like those have often more to do with how you perceive the questions itself. For some it might look like a great problem, and for some it is very clear where the problem originate from, which make the actuall question to less or no problem in itself. For example, if I've belive that criminals are monsters. Then how will that help me understand where they come from, with the actions they have done or will be willing to do? I get a lot of problem if all I have understod is that they are bad monsters. And people in general doesn't seem to want to question such belifs. So no wounder they are stuck with alot of problems then. Im not saing that people are stupied by thinking like that. But rather that they are not willing to question their own belifs to see where it may take them instead.Quote:
Murder vs Indifference
I think this is a much greater challenge. The ideas in there challenge me almost every day and every time I think about them I admit total defeat. And I think anyone who sees my point will feel something similar, though maybe not as strongly, or even stronger.
I like to be wrong and/or confused about things, because it shows that there is a lot. Even though it's frustrating, when my ego is quiet, it's nice to be wrong. I think 1 step beyond being honest about yourself is to try and let other people see how they are wrong themselves, but this can be difficult to do without being condescending, you have to be clear that you are open for conversation and to change your mind and that you are merely trying to help her or him understand things better.
I also think it's awesome to try to be clear and willing to talk to people in an honest way to make them understand them self a little better. But in some situations, it might also be a good way to let someone entangle them self in their own mess a little bit, just to make it clear for them enough to see that they might be stuck in their own limited illusion that creates alot of different problems.
Yeah I agree.
This is probably completely off topic, but have you seen the documentary Kumare? Its on netflix. Its about a guy who pretends to be an indian guru. Funny thing happens, for a lot of people, he really became an amazing guru.
I'm strange in that I believe even when you're faking it you can still let something real come out :D
I always take serious when people are joking with me. For me I can put them in a context that is applicable to reality. What to them seems absurd.
Uhm, dear GinGod, I was just wondering, uhhhhh, if you may answer......... Why do you say we deserve eternal torture, or any punishment at all, if we disbelieve in you?? I mean, yeah you did give us everything, but sheeeesh, it's just a philosophical opinion that turned out wrong, don't take it SOOOOOOOOOx[infinity] personally!!!
No. There isn't a point. It's the same as asking you to disprove that I am not an alien manipulating space-time to give me control of a human's body and mind and using it to write this post this very second. You can't do it. It doesn't make it true or even untrue for that matter, but debating about what can't be debated about is pointless. I figured I'd post anyway though just because. Have a nice day, dreamviewers.
I'm really sorry, B, but I got bored of this game that religious people seem to engage in their entire lives. And I agree that it's extremely silly for exactly the reason you stated, a philosophical opinion causing eternal damnation? COME ON GOD And thank you, B, for giving me 15 likes, B-cause it really boosted my ego. I hope you don't mind, dear B.
Dthoughts I agree and that is exactly why religion annoys me so much. The God described in their holy books seems to me to be even less likely than that space-time manipulating alien you decsribed, because the Bible seems to suggests more breaking of natural laws than that alien.
juroara, James "the amazing" Randy once used his connections to set up things for an actor to become Carlos the guru and it was succesful. I don't remember if he got thousands or hunderdthousands of followers, but it worked. Here are 3 videos if you are interested, I think in chronological order, but I'm not sure. This is a broadcast about it on tv , here you have James talking about it., James talking about it again. I didn't watch the last video and forgot exactly what the other 2 were about :P I also heard some stories from Sam Harris, a philosopher and experienced meditator, went on many silent meditation retreats so he has even met some of these bullshitting gurus.
Spoiler for B:
Sam Harris is pretty cool. He's been on show with Joe Rogan. Phenomenal words spoken there. He says he can achieve the state of MDMA by meditation alone. If that is a possibility I want in because I love MDMA but my brain does not. I've been lucky enough to be in the presence of someone who has done meditation retreats in the east. She mentioned wanting to meet Tich Naht Tahn, and I think upon investigation you will find him a respectable person. Check out Swami Satchidananda for a more Hinduic approach. I prefer the solidity of Tich Naht Tahn. But the Hindu Yoga is also very impressive. Some of those folks sitting on thrones piss me off. But Swami is just one of those guys that is a straight-up G!
The person I meet who did regular Meditation retreats on Thailand where you meditate 18 hours a day. She even meditated in the snow naked. She does a lot of things. But her mere presence was a gift. I hope that there are more and more people on this planet who are this devoted to something. I miss her so much. She is literally the most well-balanced and thought-provoking person I have ever met.
I think you mean Snoop there! I hadn't mentioned an alien manipulating space-time. Come to think of it , I wish I did. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
Oh yes, thanks for correcting me. I've seen all 3 conversations with Joe rogan twice. He's been very influencial for me and he still is. I have also seen many of his other Youtube videos two or three times and the 2 interviews he did on Very Bad Wizards were very interesting. Ofcourse I also follow his blog :P And I think him reaching a state of mind by meditating that was similar to his state of mind of MDMA, in my opinion, says more about meditation than MDMA.
I misread and thought you said "she even meditated in the sHow naked" xD I might some day look for some videos of the gurus you mentioned. Also, just so that people don't misunderstand. I really admire serious and skilled meditation teachers, it's the fraudulent people who piss me off.
I can't imagine what it's like to be around a highly skilled meditator, let alone actually be one myself. The vibes man.. The vibes!! :holyshit: But I think I have caught glimpses, for example this tuesday and the friday before that, I meditated about an hour before meeting my friends and my vibes those days were really awesome. Friday we ate 15 grams of fresh magic mushrooms (each) and tuesday we were at a theme park (Efteling) and I love my friends a lot so that contributed to da vibez but I really felt the effect of meditation. I also know from other experiences in the past few years that it has a very positive effect on my mood (short term AND long term) but those are recent and especially positive examples. I mean, I was laughing all day, mainly at my own jokes, and some of my jokes were even good enough to make my friends laugh =)
I'm curious about your own meditation practice, could you tell me about it? These past 3 or 4 years I've been doing about 30 minutes to an hour from twice a day to once a month, I'd think about 30-60minutes on average for these past few years. My longest session was about 4 hours with a 15 minute or so break in the middle. We were visiting relatives and it was extremely boring :cackle: There were like 30 people in that house, I was sitting on the balcony (the air was really nice, it was in the evening/night) and people who went to the balcony to talk/smoke kept wondering what the heck I was doing xD That 2 week vacation in Turkey (in May this year) was great for my meditation practice because of how boring it was xD I meditated 1 to 2 hours a day on average. I'd be in a room full of people talking to each other and to me, and I would get bored and just close my eyes and practice mindfulness :chuckle: 1 Guy (who was there with the relatives multiple times) started making jokes and laughing about how I kept falling asleep for a few minutes at a time xD
After reading what you said about your own meditation practice I doubt anyone could misunderstand ur feelings towards real meditators and fraudulents.
She's really chilled out. And playful. Haha. She will mess with your head if you let her and make you angry. Very observant. Short but fun time :)
Where do you live? It's a short distance from here to Efteling. I've been there a few times it's so fun. Maybe in a few weeks i'll go again. :) Have been planning to go to germany but that is expensive. :P
My meditation practice is mostly mindfulness if ever. There are times where I do insight meditation, I do not know how it works but I just get insight into metaphysical/spiritual concepts and this always makes me so excited and at peace that after a short session of those I can really chill and not be bothered by anything that normaly would piss me off. Well that's not true, lol. Something can still kil my vibe but I see it different.
It's been said that meditators can achieve internal heat. That's why they can meditate in the snow. This I would like to learn. This is good for physical health and mental well-being. Imagine being in the snow and not moving an inch. A normal body will freeze to death. A meditator does not.
As for MDMA it does say a lot about meditation but also says something about MDMA too. I like to meditate on MDMA because it feels like my head is bigger. On DMT ur head sorta can feel like a frisbee that's even better. This I think is what you want to achieve. Somehow some compounds force this state upon you. But I agree, it is 100% better to achieve this without compounds. MDMA releases serotonin and this releases heat. I think this is all related to how ur head starts feel more expansive. Eventually ur whole body. Anyways, lol. Bye ! :)
Yeah my head feels more expansive but I highly doubt that you can get a DMT trip while meditating xD I live in Oss, btw. Bye :P