I am baffled by the fact that so many big time Christians are so enthusiastically supportive of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. Would Jesus be so enthusiastic about it? What would Jesus say about it?
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I am baffled by the fact that so many big time Christians are so enthusiastically supportive of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. Would Jesus be so enthusiastic about it? What would Jesus say about it?
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Do you mean the Jesus described in the Bible or the Jesus that people typically think of as a paragon of virtue? Either way I'm not sure he'd show enthusiastic support, but given the views on women at the time, I'm sure he'd pick Donald Trump over Hillary. I get the point you're trying to make, but if you look at it realistically I think supporting Trump is in line with his views given how backwards things were in his society when he was allegedly alive. Don't trust a religion to be as virtuous as it sees itself being, especially when it's got a bloody history and a backwards view on basic human rights and civil liberties. I'm not knocking all Christians or even any believers of the other major religions here on a personal level, but when you talk about the belief system itself, all of them have their flawed, backward roots (referring pretty much to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam here).
Fortunately at least some of the followers are sane and only qualify as moderates, using their spirituality as a source of comfort and a loose moral guide (mostly following things like the Golden Rule and whatnot). However, it's fair to say that many followers who aren't fundamentalists are also lousy people too, and are merely Christian (or whatever title) by name, and perhaps culturally. Just look at most political candidates--whether they truly are religious or not, none have ever come out claiming to be atheist (it would be political suicide if they did, so you can never be sure), and a lot politicians are terrible people.
I think that Jesus, as I've come to understand His mythology and history, would likely borrow some cosmic energy from His Dad and smite the crap out of the Donald.
Trump represents pretty much everything Jesus had problems with during His brief term as messiah: He is a sociopath who has no interest in his fellow man at all, he is a pathological liar, he is a fascist, he is a misogynist, he holds his self-aggrandizement above all other things, he is a bully... okay, you get it; Jesus would likely not be too supportive of Trump by any measure, I think. Jesus wouldn't of course be too fond of Clinton, either, or pretty much any politician, but I think He would probably hold a special disregard for Trump.
All that said, I get what you're asking. My take on this is that, since the republicans, Fox News, and talk radio have spent the last quarter century basically turning Clinton into the antichrist, the christian right will likely support anyone who is running against her; perhaps, ironically, even the Devil Himself.
The only point Trump has going for him which would be in line with Jesus's teaching, IMO, is Trump's forbidding abortions. But I think rest of Trump's ideologies would make Jesus yell "hell nah" and he would send some lightning bolts after his ass all the way to Hell.
I think God nor his prophets would consider liking POLITICS nor POLITICIANS, they're lying through their teeth,
But I will take Donald Trump over Hillary,I know where I stand when I hear him talking about foreign affairs he is telling it as it is even if it means he has no experience ,in his naivety the Moslem world knows how he hate us and he wants to keep us at bay fine with us but Hillary is all for peace and human rights and that is not stopping her from sending us daesh with their sophisticated weapons and destructive bombs ,From Hillary with love. So I prefer Donald,his only problem is showing his cards or let me put it this way his racist backers their new approach and how they are going to guide him if he's going to get elected , if only theycan control his big mouth !
Sure, it makes total sense that the son of God would vote for Trump. I also saw a pig flying over my house this morning. Seriously, I don't get how people could even consider the possibility that Jesus would be a Trump supporter. It just makes no sense at all. He's pretty much committed every sin possible. If Jesus were going to pick a candidate, it would probably be the one that doesn't commit fraud and sexual assault rather than the one that does. So, if he were to vote, I would imagine that he'd probably be a Hillary supporter. However, I'm not so sure that Jesus even had political views. He had a famous quote of "it is as hard for a rich man to make it into heaven as it is to find a needle in a haystack". Since pretty much every politician is a "rich man", it seems unlikely that Jesus would even be politically involved at all. As far as I know, he had no political involvement or alliances during his time, so it seems doubtful that he would if he were around today.
Would a dead man really care?Quote:
Would Jesus support the Donald Trump campaign?
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Would a truly living being really care about the passing concerns of the truly dead?
^^ I'm pretty sure that the OP question was hypothetical, for the sake of opening a discussion about how so many professed Christians could support, and now vote for, such a man.
I for one am truly amazed and more than a bit embarrassed that over 56 million people chose to accept or overlook all of Trump's lies, his incompetence, and his incredibly pathetic character to put a thin-shinned narcissistic carnival barker into the most powerful position on the planet. I'm no fan of Clinton, either, but at least the greatest risk with her was that she would only have been a bad president; she would have known how to govern, what is actually in our Constitution. She probably also would have been respected by the rest of the world; especially because she isn't quite as interested as Trump is in blowing up portions of it, or in doing things that Putin approves of. Now we are burdened with a man who has no idea what governing even means, much less how to do it, and a commander-in-chief who thinks it's a great idea to let lots more countries have nukes, and that it's just fine to use them.
I only hope now that the republican congress grows a collective spine and does what it can (and is constitutionally bound) to keep Trump in check.
As long as I'm here:
Sorry Amedee, but you've completely misunderstood these candidates; this is not entirely your fault, though: if you were not shown that almost everything Trump said is a lie, then you indeed would come to believe that Trump is our New Savior and Clinton the Antichrist. You -- especially you, given where you live -- have far more to worry about from Trump than you would have had with Clinton, in spite of what Trump and the Republican/Fox News propaganda machine may have convinced you about what she did in Libya. Oh, and Trump doesn't tell anything "like it is," BTW, he merely has a remarkable ability to tell his audience exactly what they want to hear: if a window had opened for him to usurp the Democratic party instead of the Republican party, then the "is's" that he would tell would be much different, sound just as real, and be just as meaningless to him.
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Originally Posted by Sageous
What is the anti-Christ but an inverted version of Christ, all his values flipped to their opposites so that his followers unwittingly worship his antithesis?
I have a conservative Christian background, and while I voted for Hillary myself this election cycle, most of my relatives voted for Trump.
A few of them fit the extreme fundamentalist stereotype (two in particular...) and were all-out supporters, ~40% were enthusiastic but didn't (at least completely) overlook Trump's drawbacks, ~30% were very conflicted but ended up voting for Trump because of policy reasons (see below), and ~30% instead voted for Hillary (which includes me, my older sister, and her husband).
As for what those policy reasons were, the main one was probably abortion. A lot of my relatives see that very strongly, as they believe it to be similar to murder. If someone believes that, it can be understandably somewhat of an overriding factor when compared to even Trump's negatives.
I could give my own thoughts as well, but that's not as important (and could take more time investment!); but I thought I'd give some (very brief) info on how it's perceived from this background.
Feel free to ask questions, though note that I'm not a terribly political person, so don't converse on it that much and probably can't answer some of the more detailed questions about their thought processes. (I could give mine of course, but again that's less significant, since then it's "just me")
I think Jesus does not give a sh*** about Trump. Or about anything. That is the only explanation for the world being in the state it currently is.
Or maybe we should ask ourselves this question: https://www.quora.com/Could-Donald-T...he-anti-Christ
While I'm not trying to start an argument, does anyone else have a problem with the massive hypocrisy behind voting purely based on whether someone supports outlawing abortion, when that same person has called for carpet bombing, threatening to nuke countries as a negotiation tactic, going after the families of terrorists to demoralize them, and more? The same people bought into Bush's concept of pre-emptive strikes, resulting in the creation of ISIS, and wars that have a 90% civilian casualty rate, but that's okay because at least he appointed Supreme Court judges that would force unprepared, pregnant teens to die of infection through illicit abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
Well, a lot of people who support him don't take his more extreme statements literally. For example, making Mexico pay for the wall, seemingly directly, or "locking Hillary up" for her email server use. From what I've read in the articles interviewing people and referencing polls, most supporters didn't take this 100% literally, but instead as an expression of outrage toward what they see as serious problems.
Also, regarding the trend toward violence: from what I understand the president does not have that much of a say actually in military tactics--he has an influence, to be sure, but it's not like he's actually on the ground giving instructions to troops. So even if he's serious, I don't think he'll actually change very much on that front. (Again, as far as I know. I have not studied this, just gathered from what I've read)
And for the record, I do have major issues with most of those things mentioned--especially, for me, his support for use of torture. Torture, in my opinion, represents one of the lowest components of our capacity as humans, and should be avoided with a passion--regardless of whether it helps our country militarily. Some feel differently, of course, like that slavery or sexual abuse or prolonged state suppression are worse--but torture is the one I feel most strongly about, and it's terrible in my view that the president of one of the major nations speaks so casually in support of it.
Finally, the last point, of abortion: there are clearly negatives to restricting abortion to people with unwanted pregnancies. I don't yet know how intense the impact is, as I've yet to research it thoroughly, and don't have much personal contact with people in those situations. But I've read enough to know that it can be a life-changing event, and cause complications for years down the road.
But despite that, I hope you'll understand the concern that, if you believe the fetus in the womb is a person, with thoughts feelings and a future, then ending its life is not something to take lightly! Even if you don't agree with this (e.g. because their life has not yet started or the like), you should at least be able to understand why it's important to some people.
I recognize that most people who support abortion do so because they're legitimately concerned for someone's health and welfare--namely the mother's. Please recognize that many, at least, of those who oppose it do so for similar reasons: because they're concerned for what they see as a second vulnerability in the situation.
My problem with pro-life people is that they don't seem to consider how to best preserve life, they just take a strong moral stance without consideration of the consequences. For example, I haven't met a single pro-life person that supports funding Planned Parenthood, but Planned Parenthood actually reduces unwanted pregnancies through family planning. They also typically favor abstinence only sex education, but there's a solid correlation showing that states with abstinence only education also have the highest rate of teen pregnancies. I've seen their protest signs and on the same sign where these pro-life protesters had a big morbid picture of an aborted fetus, they also had a side comment on the bottom giving misinformation about birth control. If you don't like abortion, the last thing you should be doing is spreading lies about birth control. Before Roe V. Wade, over 5,000 women were dying per year from illegal abortions. (http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/he...egal-abortion/)
If you want less abortions, the thing to do is increase funding for Planned Parenthood and support the right for gay couples to adopt. They do the opposite, so in my mind they aren't pro-life at all, they're religious zealots that want to feel outraged.
