My assessment of Religion within the Church today

**Awaken4e1** · 11-02-2005 08:29 AM

My assessment of Religion within the Church

There is a proven fact that most people would rather let some one else do their (studying) for them, and sadly enough this is even more the case in most of the churches of the world today. The congregation would rather have their Pastor / Teacher tell them what is truth, instead of going home opening their Bibles and finding out the truth for them selves, simply put (mind-numbed-robots) fill most of our churches today.

There are so many hidden things within the Word of God, which God has placed there for man to discover, and they will remain hidden until the church comes to the realization that no one will uncover them for you, most Christians don’t even know are there, because they are led around by their nose following after ‘a man’ instead of studying and showing themselves approved unto God (not unto man) a workman who needs not be a shame, rightly dividing the Word of truth. Men would rather believe a lie, even if it comes from the pulpit.

This is why there are so many (denominations) i.e. schisms in the body of Christ, and this is one of the biggest reasons why the world thinks its all (bulsh*t,) and to be bluntly honest, I don’t blame them. There are so many instants where cooperative correspondence between churches are necessary, and the hermeneutics’ of the Word must be relay to further build a corporate message unto a network of churches around the world, and that the required understanding of those hermeneutics are sorely lacking, in most of the predominate churches today with devastating results upon the people.

Not even to mention proliferation of damned doctrine of devils, which still permeate the churches today. Causing the people to fixate on a future event, when the true revelation of God’s word comes from within, and will ‘not’ drop out of the sky like many believe today. ‘O’ wake ye that are simple minded, how long shall ye be simple?’ and seek not the truth? ‘Sorry, had to give prophecy to that those who love lies.’

The Rev.

**bradybaker** · 11-02-2005 09:06 PM

Have you ever seen Dogma Rev?

**Awaken4e1** · 11-02-2005 09:20 PM

Originally posted by bradybaker
Have you ever seen Dogma Rev?

Just the trailers...

**bradybaker** · 11-02-2005 09:22 PM

I highly recommend it. And don't worry, it has a very pro-spirituality message...thought not pro church.

That movie would pretty much some up my view of the church.

**Awaken4e1** · 11-02-2005 09:25 PM

Originally posted by bradybaker
I highly recommend it. And don't worry, it has a very pro-spirituality message...thought not pro church.

That movie would pretty much some up my view of the church.

In lue of my seeing it, continue...

**Rakkantekimusouka** · 11-03-2005 07:04 AM

Well, basically, the premise is that the Church is being rather unruly, obsessed with the material, such as wealth, and becoming more and more aloof from the will of God.

I think that's it, anyway...

**Oneironaut Zero** · 11-03-2005 07:32 AM

Dogma. What a great movie. 8)

**Awaken4e1** · 11-03-2005 07:33 AM

I believe that if the world could separate 'religion,' from 'spirituality,' it would have a more accurate assessment of the spirit of God, and not man's idea of it...

**Oneironaut Zero** · 11-03-2005 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
I believe that if the world could separate 'religion,' from 'spirituality,' it would have a more accurate assessment of the spirit of God, and not man's idea of it...

I agree.

**Seeker** · 11-03-2005 02:44 PM

I watched about 15 minutes of Dogma, didn't really hold my interest.

Rev. you keep speaking of religion. Personally I hate religion. Religion is man's attempt to make God, or gods, or the goddess in his own image.

True communion comes from developing a relationship with god, not relying on dogma. You have made a good point in your opening post, it is up to the true believer to study and find the deeper meanings of his faith, whether it be reading the Bible, the Talmud, the Quran, or the teachings of Buddha.

It is a mark of shame in my opinion for anyone of any faith to rely solely on a teacher when they themselves can read and research the basis of their faith.

Like you, I have red the bible several times in different translations, including Greek and Hebrew literal translations. I have also read some of the Talmud, Quran, Buddhist and Hindu teachings as well.

I find all of this quite fascinating and very enlightening. I have also found a common theme that runs though each of these teaching, that theme is love of fellow man.

**Rakkantekimusouka** · 11-03-2005 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Oneironaut+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oneironaut)</div>

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I believe that if the world could separate 'religion,' from 'spirituality,' it would have a more accurate assessment of the spirit of God, and not man's idea of it...

I agree.[/b]

I third that.

**AirRick101** · 11-03-2005 06:59 PM

Ya, I kind of forgot that feeling I had inside myself. I like studying religions for the sake of analyzing, but generally dislike their intentions. They all have some underlying sense of corruption underneath. I'm not one of those people who say "religion is good" or if "religion is good if it makes you happy." People who say that kind of thing really don't know what they are talking about, and it usually comes from people who never investigated it. Religions are organizations that propose some sort of ultimate truth, and to agree that they are all ok is a highly dangerous thing to consider. Imagine the controversy and heated arguments (oh wait, it's too late for that)

"Church" is a lost term as well. Church is really the body of members who are spiritual, or adhering to god. It's now deemed as equivalent of the building in which the church members come to congregate. "Going to church" is a misnomer.

Whilst I agree that relying on a human teacher is non-ideal, it's also questionable to rely solely on the Bible itself. There is enough reason to believe that that particular document has been tampered with, and is probably just as reliable as another man's knowledge. One needs to rely on himself the most, and by that I mean to follow one's intuition as to what is true for them and what's not.

**Awaken4e1** · 11-16-2005 12:38 AM

"AirRick101"

* Ya, I kind of forgot that feeling I had inside myself. *I like studying religions for the sake of analyzing, but generally dislike their intentions. *They all have some underlying sense of corruption underneath. [/b]

Carnal human nature is by design corrupt, even those of faith are subject to vanity ( not willing.)

* *I'm not one of those people who say \"religion is good\" or if \"religion is good if it makes you happy.\" *People who say that kind of thing really don't know what they are talking about, and it usually comes from people who never investigated it. [/b]

(Jam 1:27 religion pure and undefiled with the God and Father is this, to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation--unspotted to keep himself from the world.)

* Religions are organizations that propose some sort of ultimate truth, and to agree that they are all ok is a highly dangerous thing to consider. *Imagine the controversy and heated arguments (oh wait, it's too late for that) [/b]

(No one (denominational affiliation) can posses the truth, it must be acquired by the body of Christ as a whole. Each individual, supply’s its own unique perspective on the truth.

1Co 12:21 and an eye is not able to say to the hand, `I have no need of thee;' nor again the head to the feet, `I have no need of you.’)

* \"Church\" is a lost term as well. *Church is really the body of members who are spiritual, or adhering to god. *It's now deemed as equivalent of the building in which the church members come to congregate. *\"Going to church\" is a misnomer. [/b]

(One can not go to one’s self ‘We are the church, it is not the building.)

* Whilst I agree that relying on a human teacher is non-ideal, it's also questionable to rely solely on the Bible itself. [/b]

(God has given to us a myriad of resource accompanying the Bible, to bring a truer understanding of its content.)

* There is enough reason to believe that that particular document has been tampered with, and is probably just as reliable as another man's knowledge. [/b]

(True and it is a purposeful allowance by God, to cause these of faith to seek out the truth which is hidden in plain sight.)

* One needs to rely on himself the most, and by that I mean to follow one's intuition as to what is true for them and what's not.[/b]

Amen!

The Rev.

**Awaken4e1** · 11-19-2005 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka
Well, basically, the premise is that the Church is being rather unruly, obsessed with the material, such as wealth, and becoming more and more aloof from the will of God.

I think that's it, anyway...

When one looks at the church, and then looks at the world , and sees no difference, then its time to start over anew, without ...

Denominationalism, for Denominationalism = Demonationalism = A nation of Demonism

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