Marianism and Messianic Judaism

[Leo Volont]

Marianism and Messianic Judaism The Blessed Virgin Mary is a Jewish Girl. Not more than just a few years ago, an Angel came to me and asked “Why is it that the only religious garb that Our Lady will wear is the Habit of a Carmelite Nun?” He was referring to Our Lady of Mount Carmel who has made repeated Apparitions wearing that costume. Ordinarily Our Lady appears in formal, stylish and fashionable clothes suitable for the location and for the time of day or night She appears. She never dresses in the plain clothes of a Nun, but for those exceptional occasions when She appears in the Habit of the Carmelite Order. And I was to figure out why. First I did some research. I had been brought into the Catholic Church by the Carmelite Order and so I already knew something about it. Pursuing a Loophole in Catholic Procedures, I actually became enrolled in the Carmelite Suborder of the Brown Scapular before I was even officially a Catholic. You see, the Brown Scapular was established during the period when the Carmelite Order was being accepted into the Catholic Church. The Crusaders had been surprised to find an existing Brotherhood of those Devoted to Our Lady already in the Holy Land when they arrived. They Worshipped at a Chapel dedicated to Our Lady that was said to have once been Her room when She had sought refuge at Mount Carmel during the Persecutions Paul had been conducting against the Messianic Church. Some of the Crusaders were so impressed by this Devotion, that they joined the Order and became Carmelites. When they returned to Europe they ran into the problem of their local Bishops questioning their affiliation in what was not an approved Catholic Brotherhood. So petitions were made, but the paperwork dragged on slowly. The Leader of the Carmelite’s Petition Movement was incarcerated so that he could not advance the Order before everyone was certain it would be approved. Apparently being imprisoned was very demoralizing for him and so Our Lady appeared to Him, for the first time in Her Carmelite Garb, and for Consolation presented him with The Brown Scapular saying “Those who die wearing these such Brown Scapulars will not know Hell Fire, and on the First Saturday of each month I will personally fetch those of the Brown Scapular out of ordeals of Purgatory”. Then, a thousand miles away, She appeared simultaneously to the Pope and told him “If you shall not be the Pope to give approval to the Carmelite Order, then it can soon be easily arranged by Heaven to place another Pope who will”. Thus the Order was accepted by the Catholic Church. Also my researches upturned an interesting little Spiritual Romance Story. It seems that there had been a faction of the Temple Priesthood that knew of the Blessedness of the Virgin Mary and that She would bear The Messiah. These Priests had been in communication with a branch of the Essenes founded by the Prophet Elijah, the Brotherhood of Monks at Mount Carmel, who had tracked the Line leading to Mary for 7 Generations. She was the answer to several hundred years of messianic expectations. The Priests therefore arranged to find an acceptable husband for Her (notice that an important faction of Jewish Religious Leaders were indeed well informed of the Coming of their Messiah, and would know Him at his Birth, and would see Him again at the Temple when He was 12, and so, during His Ministry some 20 years later would have had no excuse but to know Him again. Their Rejection of Christ was conscious and deliberate. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do, would not apply to any Member of the Temple Staff.). In selecting a husband for little Mary they would rely upon the miraculous. All of the eligible bachelors of the House of David were assembled and were asked to turn in their walking sticks. That one who was destined to marry the Blessed Virgin, his walking stick would have to bloom in leaf and flower. None did. The Priest in charge of this was puzzled and inquired if every bachelor had indeed showed up. Well, an older bachelor, Joseph David, who did not wish to be married anyway thought he could exempt himself, and so did not bother to attend. Well, he was immediately summoned and was compelled to come quickly. No sooner than when he entered the room did his beat up old walking stick bloom with these huge White Lilies, which then as now symbolize Virginity. We had a winner! It was said that Our Lady, then a 14 year old girl, asked for one of those Lilies, and saved it as a souvenir that She kept close by for Her entire life. Well, most of the bachelors had been there because they were asked to be, and few had entertained any great expectations for themselves, suspecting their own unworthiness. But one young man had thought that he truly had it all and was heartbroken when Mary went to the relatively old man who didn’t seem to want Her anyway. This young man was so disconsolate that he ended up by selling off his estates and becoming a Member of that Order of Essenes at Mount Carmel, where he grew old. He proved to have been correct about himself – he did quite ‘have it all’. He demonstrated himself to be a skilled and dedicated worker and than an inspiring leader, and after 30 some years found himself the Superior of that Order. Well, by this time Christ had been born, grown up, had His Ministry and had been Murdered. Then, during the first years of the New Messianic Cult, Paul began to conduct a Persecution in which Stephen was murdered, but also many others whom Luke somehow thought not important enough to write into History. Our Lady, now approaching 50, was in danger. So our ‘young man’ now an old man at Mount Carmel discerns what his role must be and sends a covert delegation to quickly remove Her from the jeopardy of being a target for Paul and his thugs in Jerusalem. After a lifetime with a broken heart he was finally able to become Protector to that Girl he had fallen so much in love with decades before. A sweet story, huh? Which brings us back to the question the Angel asked me, why Our Lady chooses to dress as a Carmelite. I thought the answer was that She was showing Her appreciation for the Protection that Order had given Her during Her lifetime, as well as in appreciation for the Care that Order had taken of Her Line for the Seven Generations since the time of the Prophet Elijah. That seemed like a reasonable enough answer. But I felt no validation from my Angels, and so I kept it on my mind and continued to maul it over. And then one day after about a month had gone by the answer came so instantly to me that I am not at all certain whether I thought of it, or that my Angel gave up and gave me the answer as a direct whisper into my head – that Our Lady wears the Habit of the Carmelites because the Carmelites are the Only Jewish Order in the Catholic Church. It is expressive of Her first Loyalties. Yes, She has sponsored the Catholic Church for these two thousand years now, but She remembers that She is a Jewish Girl. I think my Angels were prompting me to suppose that the Catholic Church should recognize a duty to bring about some rapprochement with the Messianic Jewish Movement.

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Messianic Judaism is Judaism in name only. Some good sites about true Judaism: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/ http://www.simpletoremember.com/ http://www.jdstone.org/truth/pages/xian.html :nod:

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka Messianic Judaism is Judaism in name only. Some good sites about true Judaism: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/ http://www.simpletoremember.com/ http://www.jdstone.org/truth/pages/xian.html :nod: You should understand how Nominal Words work. Of course there is a distinction between "Messianic Judaism" and "Judaism". That is why the word "Messianic" is attached, in order to provide a clue as to the conceptual distinction that would differentiate it from simple "Judaism". But regarding pure Judaism, it is no longer a real Religion, is it? They no longer have their Temple. They no longer have their Arc. they have not had a Prophet for 2000 years. They have surrendered totally into Usury. Their idea of Religion is summed up as a justification for making a predatory land grab in the Near East. So, no, without the Messianic Element included in Judaism, Judaism would entirely lack any semblance to a Religion with any Life still in it. They may remember the times when their People used to be Religious, but it really isn't the same thing, is it?

[Leo Volont]

There is a very interesting book written by an advocate for Messianic Judaism, Scott Nelson, which you can find at the following URL: http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/ The book posits the argument that once Paul is discredited, then the unadulterated Teaching of Christ would well be a compatible extension of Judaism, having been a well formulated and spiritually necessary Progression in the Evolution of Hebrew Spirituality. But, yes, any moral religion can be so inconveniet to a people grown accustomed to their materialistic comforts, and so I can see why the great majority of "Jews" would reject a Spiritual Religion Messianism. But they do so not because they are Religious, but because they are not so.

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Originally posted by Leo Volont But regarding pure Judaism, it is no longer a real Religion, is it? They no longer have their Temple. They no longer have their Arc. they have not had a Prophet for 2000 years. They have surrendered totally into Usury. Their idea of Religion is summed up as a justification for making a predatory land grab in the Near East. So, no, without the Messianic Element included in Judaism, Judaism would entirely lack any semblance to a Religion with any Life still in it. They may remember the times when their People used to be Religious, but it really isn't the same thing, is it? Maybe it's not exactly the same religion it was, but if you've ever observed an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, you can affirm that it is indeed still very much a steadfast religion. Judaism and Christianity are not compatible, at least not anymore; not since Christianity became fully formed. End of discussion.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka Maybe it's not exactly the same religion it was, but if you've ever observed an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, you can affirm that it is indeed still very much a steadfast religion. Judaism and Christianity are not compatible, at least not anymore; not since Christianity became fully formed. End of discussion. There is nothing wrong with Christianity that the rejection of Paulist Doctrines would not correct. Have you taken a look at that one URL I referred to... the Scott Nelson Book which he posted On Line (I admire the man for foregoing profits in the interest of achieving the greatest possible distribution of his ideas). What this Book demonstrates is that Messianic Judaism is NOT a version of any form of Institutionalized Christianity. Paul had an overwhelmingly powerful influence on Christianity. Catholicism was able to mitigate the influence somewhat with its Supernatural Marianism -- the Apparitions from Heaven of the Blessed Virgin would indeed counter the influence of that little dirty scheming low-life liar Paul, but not entirely. Then Protestantism popped up after the invention of the Printing Press made Vernacular Translations of the Bible available in every literate household and the general public was exposed as never before to the satanic lies Paul that Fraud. If one itemizes Protestant Doctrine, it is entire absent of any influence of Christ and completely aligned to the prevarications of Paul. Indeed, the Protestants had to create the Doctrine that EVERY Word in the Bible was the veritable Word of God, so that Paul could in effect be made Equal to Christ so that he could be allowed to Eclipse Christ within their schematic of effective Doctrines. So, don't dismiss Messianic Judaism because of what Paul taught the easy-to-fool Greek Gentiles. The one thing has nothing to do with the other.

[MarthaM]

I had not heard this story about Mary before. Very interesting. Now I have even more studying to do.

[Malkav]

Hi there, Leo!! Well, i must say that i really love that story, ever since you send it to me a few months ago (Good Lord, time is nothing but a blink) i've read it a lot of times... You do have a very interesting point of view regarding the Messianic Judaism, and i must say that i agree with you when you say that perhaps Judaism doesn't have the strenght nor the conviction of their own people to stay as a true Religion... and regarding the Paulist's i better keep my own opinions.... although you know what i think of THEM... PS: Perhaps i'll PM you again, there's a lot of unfinished issues that must be settled... bye

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by MarthaM I had not heard this story about Mary before. Very interesting. Now I have even more studying to do. Anne Catherine Emmerich, Catholicism's foremost Visionary and Seer. Know best for Mel Gibson's screenplay for the movie "The Passion". She was a Nun back during the Napoleanic Era. She was a famous Stigmatic also -- went years without food or water. She was Beatified, but she is being helfd up from becoming a Saint because although she had passed one Investigation at the Diocecian Level (her own Bishop's office), subsequently the same Bishop, under pressure from Protestant Invaders, withdrew his support and re-issued findings against her. But there is a great deal of biographical material regarding Anne Catherine Emmerich and so we can evaluate the known observations for ourselves. Her role as a Seer have largely been justified through subsequent scholarship. Researchers following her lead found real archeological sites that met with her drawings in exact detail. Of most interest is her identifying a farmhouse outside of Ephesus as the location of Mary's last residence. In Europe at the time it was thought to have been in Jerusalem, and her voice was the only disenting one. Then an archeologist went to Ephesus, Turkey and asking a few locals for direction soon found the Site that was still locally understood to have been the last Home of Mary the Mother of Jesus. Also, she was able to set right the story of Christ being born in a Stable. She insisted that Jesus was born in one of a series of Caves outside of Bethlehem, on the south side of town, and she drew a map and a diagram of the caves. Guess what? Anyway, Tan Books publishes a 4 volume compilation of her Visions as "The Life of Jesus and the History of Redemption". The first Volume is wonderful, and the last volume of the four details Mel Gibson's "The Passion". Volume 2 and 3 get bogged down with Christ going back and forth. But Volume One could replace the Bible and Civilization would only gain in the bargain.

[MarthaM]

Thank you, Leo Volont.