• Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views




    Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
    Results 1 to 25 of 46
    1. #1
      Member R.Carter's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Location
      Sarasota, Florida
      Posts
      383
      Likes
      1

      I Was Wrong ! Are You Happy Now ?

      Well, Ladies and Gentleman, after the last week or so of postings in this forum I
      can honestly say that we're all getting to know each other a little better. Based on this
      observation, and combined with my own feelings, I think each of you has at least one
      member here that nettles you the most . Whether it's their illogical responses, mind
      numbing stubborness, or scathing sarcasm each of us has someone in mind that we
      would love to hear say, " I was wrong, are you happy now ? "

      So here's the twist.......

      What would it take to make you change your current stance ?

      Answers like, " nothing could, my faith is eternal " or " how could I ever believe in a
      fantasy ? " are unacceptable . Tell the truth and shame the devil , right Rev . ?
      Be honest. Would you renounce your faith if the Pope did ? Would you get baptised
      if a priest saved the love of your life with rays of healing light from his hands as Angels looked on ? I'm expecting answers of true fantasy. Let us each unlatch ourselves
      from what we believe just long enough to not turn this into a debate . Don't challenge
      the unreality of each others scenarios ; enjoy the insight you may glean . Above all ,
      please have fun in this thread.
      As always , I go first .........

      The example I gave about the healing at the hands of the priest with tangible evidence
      would do it for me . Actually seeing physical icons and experiencing the true power of
      the Christian God first hand would give me no room to argue , would it ?

      Your turn.

      You're getting sleepy......

      (__/)
      (O.o )
      (> < ) This is Bunny.

    2. #2
      Member InTheMoment's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2005
      Location
      (see Username)
      Posts
      1,328
      Likes
      1
      I would believe anything for about $200,000.00 USD.
      Hide the kids...Uncle ITM is back!
      My pics

    3. #3
      Member kimpossible's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Location
      Folsom, CA, USA
      Posts
      1,058
      Likes
      0
      itm - you're a cheap whore...

      what would it take for me? Pretty simple, really. A few simple questions answered, and a few miracles for my gear, and we're good to go.

      I don't want to hear about the brain from someone that doesn't have one.
      Nor do I want to hear about evolution from someone that hasn't evolved.

    4. #4
      Member InTheMoment's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2005
      Location
      (see Username)
      Posts
      1,328
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by kimpossible
      itm - you're a cheap whore...
      And I will beat any advertised price by at least 10%.
      Hide the kids...Uncle ITM is back!
      My pics

    5. #5
      Member Gwendolyn's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 2004
      Gender
      Location
      Love Street
      Posts
      3,320
      Likes
      2
      Originally posted by kimpossible


      what would it take for me? Pretty simple, really. A few simple questions answered, and a few miracles for my gear, and we're good to go.
      Bingo.....just a few miracles, and some answers.
      Shine on, you crazy diamond!

      Raised: The Blue Meanie, Exobyte

      Adopted: MarcusoftheNight

    6. #6
      Member Ex Nine's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Posts
      905
      Likes
      3
      Miracle? Well, what greater miracle do you need than the creation of life?



      This thread kind of makes me want to vomit. You should already "stand" for learning. If you don't, there's something dreadfully wrong with you. And I don't mean that lightly. There's something dreadfully wrong with lots of people for exactly this reason.

      But you want an answer? Okay. If Jesus has risen bodily from the dead, and is God made human and all that jazz, then for God's sake, let's have some human interaction. I'd have to play cards with Jesus.

    7. #7
      Member InTheMoment's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2005
      Location
      (see Username)
      Posts
      1,328
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by Ex Nine
      I'd have to play cards with Jesus.
      Some people have... www.chrisferguson.com
      Hide the kids...Uncle ITM is back!
      My pics

    8. #8
      Consciousness Itself Universal Mind's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 2004
      Gender
      Location
      Everywhere
      Posts
      12,871
      Likes
      1046
      I wouldn't necessarily need to meet God in person to believe in him. If I could get a totally logical response to my question, a response that hits the nail on the head and makes total sense, my mind could be changed. It is that type of logic that got me out of Christianity. Logic that tops that logic could get me back into it, in theory. That, plus Jesus would need to get his dick out of his mouth.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

    9. #9
      Member R.Carter's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Location
      Sarasota, Florida
      Posts
      383
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by Ex Nine


      You should already \"stand\" for learning. If you don't, there's something dreadfully wrong with you. And I don't mean that lightly. There's something dreadfully wrong with lots of people for exactly this reason.

      I couldn't agree more. A day you don't advance yourself in one way or another is a wasted day.

      You're getting sleepy......

      (__/)
      (O.o )
      (> < ) This is Bunny.

    10. #10
      Member bradybaker's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 2004
      Location
      Canada
      Posts
      2,160
      Likes
      4
      Hmmm.....I don't know...

      I'd definitely need a whole whack of miracles. Actually, if I could be God for a day I'd probly believe.
      "This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time."



      The Emancipator MySpace

    11. #11
      FBI agent Ynot's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Gender
      Location
      Southend, Essex
      Posts
      4,337
      Likes
      14
      Originally posted by Ex Nine
      Miracle? Well, what greater miracle do you need than the creation of life?
      "

      -- Bill Hicks
      (\_ _/)
      (='.'=)
      (")_(")

    12. #12
      Banned
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Gender
      Posts
      4,571
      Likes
      1070
      Fathom this: straight answers based on logical reasons written in coherent English.

      But I guess that's asking too much.

    13. #13
      FBI agent Ynot's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Gender
      Location
      Southend, Essex
      Posts
      4,337
      Likes
      14
      lol @ fathom this

      (\_ _/)
      (='.'=)
      (")_(")

    14. #14
      Member Ex Nine's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Posts
      905
      Likes
      3
      Originally posted by InTheMoment
      Some people have... www.chrisferguson.com
      Oh, damn, you're right. Well it looks like there's hope.

      That quote was pretty cool, Ynot.

    15. #15
      Member
      Join Date
      May 2004
      Location
      australia
      Posts
      613
      Likes
      0
      Hmmm.. well. If jesus was to come down from heaven and I was to shoot him in the head and watch him resurrect that might be convincing. Or maybe a nice "This is god, religion X is true" written in stars.

      No wait... shooting jesus in the head sounds like more fun.

    16. #16
      Banned
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Gender
      Posts
      4,571
      Likes
      1070
      Originally posted by Ynot
      lol @ fathom this

      Ahahaha, that's good.


      EDIT
      Decided to make this into my sig.

    17. #17
      Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Location
      Italy
      Posts
      207
      Likes
      1
      I would not believe in God in front of a miracle. On the contrary, a miracle would lead me towards skepticism (some well organized trick?). In fact, for me it holds the sentence "Vere tu es Deus absconditus" (Truly, you are a hidden God). A God who would reveal himself would not be a God. It would be like asking our partner a final love proof.
      I guess that faith is a free choice "powered" by grace. Thus I would believe stronger if, after a free quest, an ilumination would reveal to me the truth as a reward.

      On the other side, I would have harder time in believing more strongly than now in the purely rationalistic stance, since no scientific experiment can provide the final proof that science is the truth or a method to get the truth.

      eXistenZ

    18. #18
      Party Pooper Tsen's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2004
      LD Count
      ~1 Bajillion.
      Gender
      Posts
      2,530
      Likes
      3
      Yes, I suppose my beliefs could be changed. It'd have to be more than just an angel popping up and saying, "Hey you, God is real!" though. It'd have to be more like what Ex and Brady said--actually meet God and get to know him (None of that groveling and worship, actually get to know him) and prefferably get to experience what it would be like to be a God.

      But that doesn't mean that my ways could be changed--I could be brought to believe in God, or to believe in some generic higher power, but I couldn't be convinced to change my ways. Mostly because, given a choice between Heaven and Hell, I'd choose Hell. Yeah, so there's torture and fire and brimstone and all that. But the company would be infinitely better. Not the murderers and rapists, mind you, but the intellectuals. All the people who said, "Hey, why the hell should I believe in a God? You've given me no convincing reason." They're the people I want to spend eternity with. Not the folk who say, "Hey, I was born Christian and nothin' you say is going to change that." Those people are the very seeds of ignorance--without religion, society could have progressed MUCH further by now. It's always been religion that's persecuted the true great minds of the time. It's because of this that I'll always be the way I am. Knowing that a god exists wouldn't persuade me to worship said god.
      [23:17:23] <+Kaniaz> "You think I want to look like Leo Volont? Don't you dare"

    19. #19
      Member Achievements:
      1 year registered Veteran First Class 10000 Hall Points
      wasup's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2003
      Gender
      Posts
      4,668
      Likes
      21
      Scientific Evidence. I don't even need to first-hand experience it. If you give me legitimate evidence of god (i.e., not "how can these amazing things create by themselves!, etc.), I will totally believe.

    20. #20
      Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Location
      Italy
      Posts
      207
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by Eric Estrada
      Scientific Evidence. I don't even need to first-hand experience it. If you give me legitimate evidence of god (i.e., not \"how can these amazing things create by themselves!, etc.), I will totally believe.

      But if one would provide a rational and logical evidence of God's existence, God would be just a mathematical theorem, nothing more.

      eXistenZ

    21. #21
      Party Pooper Tsen's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2004
      LD Count
      ~1 Bajillion.
      Gender
      Posts
      2,530
      Likes
      3
      Right. And gravity is just a mathematical theorem as well.
      [23:17:23] <+Kaniaz> "You think I want to look like Leo Volont? Don't you dare"

    22. #22
      Member Ex Nine's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Posts
      905
      Likes
      3
      Totally, Tsen.

      eXistenZ, how about empirical evidence then?

    23. #23
      Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2005
      Location
      Italy
      Posts
      207
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by Ex Nine

      eXistenZ, how about empirical evidence then?
      [b]

      Empirical evidence is for empirical facts.
      If one tries to understand a poem by using syntax rules, he doesn't get much sense. Some other set of rules, like aesthetics, would better fit the object of analysis.

      If a researcher doesn't get an answer about the existence of something, usually this is not because of existence/unexistence of the object, but because he doesn't ask the right question. If we don't have a fine scientific experiment to finally prove the existence of God, this doesn't necessarily mean that God doesn't exist. The experiment might be flawed and I would work more on the instrument than on the studied object. The same applies for logical reasoning.

      eXistenZ

    24. #24
      Member Ex Nine's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2005
      Posts
      905
      Likes
      3
      I'm not sure I understand, eXistenZ. Wouldn't God, if he exists, be an empirical fact?

      I can think of a hundred empirical experiments that falsify the existence of God. It's easy because we are talking about something that can exist everywhere and therefore should be able to be observed everywhere. It doesn't matter where or at what time the observation is made. It's not like disproving the existence of fairies, which may be very small and only exist in some far corner of the universe in another dimension, etc.

      Most importatntly, it's even easier given God's benevolent and powerful nature. He should be eager to help with the observation, not run away from it.

      But God's believers cleverly redefine God into a slippery concept and a mysterious one at that. And they are not to be taken seriously, for they exist in a state of trouble. Nothing can be so dangerous for a person - to rely on something through means of subterfuge against your own self.

      But God does help with the experiment. Since our tests do not show God's existence, that means God purposefully escaped our detection and therefore does not exist. This keeps in line with his omnipotence (only God could make himself not exist) and his omnibenevolence (life is generally a whole lot more fun without God, especially with the help of science and lucid dreaming).

      I am for one thankful to God that there is no God. This is not contradictory because "thankful to God," is a colloquialism and means not being thankful, because God does not exist. And I truly am not thankful that God does not exist.

      Thanks is better spent on things that exist.

    25. #25
      Member InTheMoment's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2005
      Location
      (see Username)
      Posts
      1,328
      Likes
      1
      Originally posted by Ex Nine

      I am for one thankful to God that there is no God. This is not contradictory because \"thankful to God,\" is a colloquialism and means not being thankful, because God does not exist. And I truly am not thankful that God does not exist.

      Because it's a waste of thanks to put it on nonexistent things. It's better to put it on existent things. And every religious person is trying find the strength to be thankful for their existence and things existing. And that's why they're all going to be atheists.

      But in a good way. ~
      Hide the kids...Uncle ITM is back!
      My pics

    Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •