this question has always been around in my head does anybody know where i can find out or know themselevs?
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this question has always been around in my head does anybody know where i can find out or know themselevs?
... What type of question is this?
LMAO..I don't think thats it though. I heard somewhere that the Lucifer was supposed to be the most Handsome person you would ever meet...SO that excluded Bush.
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Originally posted by Forsaken Exposition
LMAO..I don't think thats it though. I heard somewhere that the Lucifer was supposed to be the most Handsome person you would ever meet...SO that excluded Bush.
yea i heard he was the most handsome person ever to even though he is betrayed as a big red guy with horns but are there any scpritures or anything that really says what he looks like
You are serious? Considering the devil is a *mythical* figure, his looks are up to your interpretation/imagination.
Haven't you heard? The devil is a medium sized red guy with horns and a pitch fork.
You may be thinking about Ezekiel 28:11-19 which alludes to the fallen angel. Verse 17 gives the impression he was so enamoured with his own beauty and intelligence that he deluded himself into thinking he alone was worthy of worship. The red guy with horns and pitchfork is nowhere in the Bible that I know of.Quote:
Originally posted by Don128
yea i heard he was the most handsome person ever to even though he is betrayed as a big red guy with horns but are there any scpritures or anything that really says what he looks like
A guy I talked to described him as like staring into a 10,000 watt light bulb with a white hankerchif over it.
He laughs a lot, tells stupid jokes and is queerly charming in a way you don't notice. His intelligence and creativity is the dead give away though.
The handsome part is a myth, as far as his physical plane appearance goes, but if you talk to him for any length of time and get a glimpse into his mind, you'll get a rock hard erection at so beautiful a mind, perhaps the most beautiful of all :oops:
There is an interesting correlation between Da Vinci, the Mona Lisa painting and Lucifer.
The way to recognize him is by Desire. If you desire him, its like Heroin and its quite easy to get addicted to him. Many women especially over the ages, including Eve of Eden, have fallen to his attentions, as have many men, many of them very strong of Will.
I think the "official" version of what Lucifer looks like can be found by doing an image search on "lucifer32" and finding the one of two men. The lower blackened form is a pretty good likeness of him. He has a narrower chin though (most artists like to give him a very firm jaw but this is symbolic of his strength).
The DV member, lucius' Avatar picture is a good (accurate) female version of The Devil. Make the lips a little smaller and the forehead a bit taller and its a good rendition of Lucifer (Horus format) in a female body.
I do not personally believe there is A devil. As in one particular Demon. I think the word devil means advarsary. Which in anybodies each particular case could come in the form of anything.
As far as ITM's idea I must counter with >
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4112/dcp04910gd.jpg
lololol. Yeah. Nah I think the devil has 2 penises that are on fire.Quote:
Originally posted by InTheMoment
*bush*
Non-existing penises.
Hmmm, I guess that does make Hillary the devil then.Quote:
Originally posted by Neruo
lololol. Yeah. Nah I think the devil has 2 penises that are on fire.
You know what's a total double standard about Satan? If this "God" is so overly powerful and wise, why dosen't he just snap his fingers and smite the devil as good is inherently more powerful than evil (as far as Christians are concerned)?
That'd be waaay too easy.
Plus it's kinda hard to extract money out of all the faithful Christians if they don't have to fear hell anymore.
The system doesn't work without Satan (The Advesary). An interesting thing is that the Devil and Jesus are switching places in 2012 just to keep their game sharp. You heard it here first ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten
You know what's a total double standard about Satan? If this "God" is so overly powerful and wise, why dosen't he just snap his fingers and smite the devil as good is inherently more powerful than evil (as far as Christians are concerned)?
Becouse god likes satans buns too much.Quote:
Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten
You know what's a total double standard about Satan? If this "God" is so overly powerful and wise, why dosen't he just snap his fingers and smite the devil as good is inherently more powerful than evil (as far as Christians are concerned)?
Demons are energy right?...Trying to explain that to a human is like trying to explain colors to someone that was born blind.
Demons don't exist. Explain to me how a bunch of energy can voluntary choose a 9 to 5 job scaring random people and do this. Especially giving hardly anyone believes in them, any left of demon would have turned to gardening a long time ago.Quote:
Originally posted by Canon
Demons are energy right?...Trying to explain that to a human is like trying to explain colors to someone that was born blind.
lol ^____^
Satan is so way more hilarious then god.
9:00 To 5:00 --> :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by Neruo
Demons don't exist. Explain to me how a bunch of energy can voluntary choose a 9 to 5 job scaring random people and do this. Especially giving hardly anyone believes in them, any left of demon would have turned to gardening a long time ago.
lol ^____^
Satan is so way more hilarious then god.
The night shift --> :evil:
He is and always will be a spirit, with no forum...
Yeah it's true! www.satan.com doesn't have a forum. Actually it's another advertising site :) Maybe the devil uses advertising to reap our souls! :0Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
He is and always will be a spirit, with no forum...
The internet could be viewed almost as a universal consciousness. What better way to spread your havoc?Quote:
Originally posted by Neruo
Yeah it's true! *www.satan.com doesn't have a forum. Actually it's another advertising site :) Maybe the devil uses advertising to reap our souls! :0
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what does the devil look like[/b]
The devil has 2 red horns on his head and a big red pitchfork. He is red and has a tail that has an arrow head on it! Didn't you know this? You must be living under a rock. Acording to religious zealots the devil is under every rock. So I don't see how you would have missed him. As a matter of fact do not mistake the devil for an actual person. No-one dresses like that. It is a mythical creature.
have a nice day.
sleep tight dont let the devil bugs bite. If they bite squeeze them tight, And they will torture you another night.
Don't worry there is not devil bugs I was just joking.
Unless ofcourse you are talking about fleas.
this topic seems moronic, you cannot possibly decide what an entity like satan could look like, in angelic form it describes him in the bible as being, ::like a lot of people have already said::, very attractive. this thread's a joke.
Yeah. but it's a funny joke. Lighten up!!!!!
ya really! :shakehead2: Why even post?Quote:
Originally posted by D.Jenkins
Yeah. but it's a funny joke. Lighten up!!!!!
what seems to be the problem Howetzer. lol. you look a bit down there.
Orange juice?
Anyone else notice that on Satan.com there seemed to be a lot of Harry Potter stuff??
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... Just a thought.
Not that this has anything to do with lucifer, but I thought I'd mount it for kicks.
The picture on the left is a quick shot of me (after a hard night's work) and on the right is a rendering of the Shroud of Turin.
http://www.cuttingbow.com/turinwoody.jpg
Something interesting though is even though he doesn't look a lot like Jesus, I keep running into religious nuts who keep bumping into the guy on the right, even saying there is something about that image that really reminds them of a dream or spiritual encounter.
I on the other hand am a real home body. giggle.
Is it just me or do I look a bit like the guy in the Shroud?
Look in the mirror. It resides in human nature! :borg:
So that's what you look like woody.
Give it up your not they guy. You might be spiritually above average but your not the guy in the shroud.
Yeah. but it's a funny joke. Lighten up!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Boris
Give it up your not they guy. You might be spiritually above average but your not the guy in the shroud.
But seriously, if any of my fellow users can give me an objective opinion on this, I'd appreciate it. Is it just me or is there a resemblance there, and if so how close? Objectively speaking.
And it doesn't mean anything. The Shroud has been proven to be a fake a dozen times over so all I'm "guilty" of here is having a passing resemlance to some dead guy. People keep telling me that I have a face that reminds them of other people, so perhaps its just that.
Well, I can get there from the other direction... I know what the Devil DOESN'T look like.Quote:
Originally posted by Don128
this question has always been around in my head does anybody know where i can find out or know themselevs?
Demons have a problem with luminosity. They can't make light and they don't like light. The Legend of Vampires to true to the extent that Light is repulsive to Vampires, that is Creatures of Evil.
Now, many people are under a misapprehension in this regards because they have chosen to believe that famous Liar 'Saint' Paul (whose first lie is that he is a Saint). You see, when Paul separated off from the Messianic Jewish Sect of Genuine Christians and started up his own popular doctrines to attract the large and wealthy Greek Market, problems came up when Angelic Apparitions and Apostles of Light attempted to invene and warn these victims belonging to Paul's Congregations. In order to cover his flanks, Paul published the statement that Apostles of Righteousness, and Angels of Light were from the Devil. To this day Protestants are still convinced that any Being that appears like a Divine Angel and is overtly Full of Righteousness is actually a Demon adopting a kind of disguise. This gambit whereby Paul has convinced his Religion that when they perceive one thing, they are actually seeing its opposite, well, it has destroyed any possibility that Protestants might participate in any spiritual activity. this is why Protestants insist that any spiritual practice is on their Black Occult List of Forbidden Activities. As far as they are concerned the only permissable behaviors is slavetrading, rum running, charging usurious interest rates, and cornering all of one's fellow men into a vast network of exploitive wage-slave capitalism.
Catholics who have experience with both Divinely Angelic Forces and Demonic Entities, learn to distinguish between the two categories by applying intuitive sensory aesthetic evaluation. Saint and Angels are Beautiful, Luminous, sweet speaking and sweet smelling and are to found in pleasing scenaries. Demons are ugly, harsh, smelly and dark. Angels and Saints are altruistic and inclined to share. Demons are proud, selfish and grasping.
I don't really think there is much of a chance that somebody could really be confused. Angels are obviously Angels. Demons are obviously Demons.
It is like Uniforms... even informal uniforms. People do the best to look like exactly what they are. Take Motorcycle Bums. They bend over backwards to look 100% like lowlife dirtbags. When they take their cloths off they feel self-conscious because they no longer look so obviously evil, and so they remedy this deficiency by acquiring tattoos -- at least one of which will read "bad to the bone". Demons are the same way. They take a certain perverse pride in appearing terrifying and reprehensible. But Angels, on the other extreme, are naturally attracted to a look of Ethereal Glowing Beauty.
In my lifetime, I can remember two specific instances where encountering a being that I am quite sure is the one called satan or devil.Quote:
Originally posted by Don128
this question has always been around in my head does anybody know where i can find out or know themselevs?
He had darker hair, brown I think (it wasnt so clear to me)
He was about 7-8 foot tall
he was white/olive complexion
When you look upon his face, It is clear, but if you try and recall it later, it is a blur
He is very strong as imagined, very frightening, and very screwed up (as in, he is somewhat mad/insane)
His strength in what he can do, but he is very strong looking in his body as well (I saw him first in physical looking body, but am not sure if I was in physical plane/dimension or not)
I hope no one flames me for this, I would hate to remind you that I am replying to the question asked
P.S. Will say that if anyone ever encounters such a being, its always good to pray your ass off. In my case I did as I was helpless to do anything else, the being went away immediately, unfortunately however, I passed out in the process only to awake hours later very confused and upset
Leo Volont: I have seen quite a few demons pretending to be angels and other beings like gods/goddesses and higher spirits and successfully tricking a very large amount of people.
Well, we need to wonder whether they are not really Angels and Higher Spirits, but that you have the Paulist Predispositon to doubt them and to suppose they are trying to trick you. Perhaps you carry a great good many Paulist Assumptions, and in that degree you are infected with something of the Antichrist. so at a certain level you would be inclined to reject Actual Angels. You see, any Real Angel is certainly not amused by those who think that they can Murder Jesus and be Saved because of it. So any Real Angel is not likely to be very kind to any of this kind of Traditional Paulist Christian.Quote:
Originally posted by namaka
Leo Volont: I have seen quite a few demons pretending to be angels and other beings like gods/goddesses and higher spirits and successfully tricking a very large amount of people.
But let's say that these demons were pretending to be Angels. As I have said, one can discern an Angel and a Saint by their Luminosity -- they shine with Light. Demons cannot do that. Demons will always appear drab in their counterfeit appearances.
Also, since it is Fundamental Element of Paulist Doctrine that Demons will come as Apostles of Righteousness and Angels of Light, then I suppose in those Astral Realms which open their gates to you , as one who leans toward paulist Anti-Doctrines, you will see a great many Demons who will play dress up just to provide for you what you have grown to expect. But I can't say that it is a Wonderful Doctrine that you propose for us to accept, which can only cast a significant Doubt upon all subsequent Religious Revelation. Indeed, what damage can Atheists do that you cannot do worse than by insisting, along with that Antichrist Paul, that one cannot believe any Apparent Angelic or Saintly Vision because you suspect that it is all just demons in disguise.
So, no, I just think that your particular brand of paranoia is what you get and exactly what you deserve for being one of Paul's minions. I have consciously accepted Paul as being the Enemy of Christ and of all things Good and Spiritual, an I have no problems with Demons pretending to be Angels. Only Paulists are subject to such confusions.
Whereas Catholics just stuck to wholesome kiddy-fiddling, bashing homosexuals, torching abortion clinics and waving flaming handbags.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
this is why Protestants insist that any spiritual practice is on their Black Occult List of Forbidden Activities. As far as they are concerned the only permissable behaviors is slavetrading, rum running, charging usurious interest rates, and cornering all of one's fellow men into a vast network of exploitive wage-slave capitalism.
Instances of Child Abuse involving the Catholic Clergy are well below the statistical average for such things, which indicates that the Church is doing a decent job of weeding out Child Abusers. People blame them for not being perfect, and lawyers attack them because there is a big Pay Day. And then, it is certain that Catholics do not bash Homosexuals, except for one crazy Bishop in Africa, and in this category the Protestants fare far worst. Think about it, who are all of these 'celibate' priests by Homosexuals gone into the Priesthood for social cover. About abortion clinics -- that has all been the Protestant Religious Right. Indeed the Religious Right never had any real business there, but promoted the cause merely to make inroads into the Catholic Vote, but the thing about Propaganda, is that it is difficult to control who becomes fanatical about believing it. Catholics have been so long with the Right to Life Issue that they quite astute in their apathy. It is the Religious Right of the Protestants that have gone wild in new found zeal over the issue.Quote:
Originally posted by Roller
Whereas Catholics just stuck to wholesome kiddy-fiddling, bashing homosexuals, torching abortion clinics and waving flaming handbags.
About flaming handbags. Indeed, re-read my accusations against the Protestants and then remind me how a flaming handbag or two can stand in weight and substance against those more serious concerns. I say that Protestants are mass murdering demons, and your response is to say that Catholics have been found to be marginally annoying at times. There is no reall comparison, is there. Catholics had given us our Civilization, and Protestants are doing their best to take it all away.
What does the devil look like ? On earth when hes trying to tempt you , he looks trusting and nice . But in hell he looks fricken EVIL!!! :mad:
Hey it seems like you met my mom.Quote:
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In my lifetime, I can remember two specific instances where encountering a being that I am quite sure is the one called satan or devil.Quote:
this question has always been around in my head does anybody know where i can find out or know themselevs?
He had darker hair, brown I think (it wasnt so clear to me)
He was about 7-8 foot tall
he was white/olive complexion
When you look upon his face, It is clear, but if you try and recall it later, it is a blur
He is very strong as imagined, very frightening, and very screwed up (as in, he is somewhat mad/insane)
His strength in what he can do, but he is very strong looking in his body as well (I saw him first in physical looking body, but am not sure if I was in physical plane/dimension or not)
I hope no one flames me for this, I would hate to remind you that I am replying to the question asked
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Clearly people can see satan in every hobo if they believe in satan. Just yesterday I could swear I saw the terminator, becouse I am sure he is real!
But it turned out just to be arnold beating up this homeless man.
Ah, the good old days when the word insane or mad was used. Its pretty funny when someone says the old boy has a "chemical imbalance". LOL.Quote:
Originally posted by namaka
He is very strong as imagined, very frightening, and very screwed up (as in, he is somewhat mad/insane)
Why would Satan resemble a person? Did he evolve from apes too?
Consider that we have some sort of soul, spirit, or eternal essence. If that is so, then our bodies are to be considered mere vehicles, nothing more than a car. We take care of our cars, we wax them and give them good maintenance, but sometimes we are hard on them.Quote:
Originally posted by Universal Mind
Why would Satan resemble a person? Did he evolve from apes too?
In the astral, we have other bodes, astral doubles/etheric energy bodies that we use to get around in that plane of existance
In more response to your question, we choose our bodies, and create them through choice, just as we choose our cars when we go to buy one, in consideration to the abilities of the car ie, is it good on gas?
The devil is simply the absence of God. Like Darkness is the absence of Light.
Man is concerned with the punishments that come with sin. God is much more concerned with the glory and exaltation that man will miss out on if he chooses to leave the path that God has lain down for him to follow.
The devil, simply put, is all things that are not in Christ. Where are you?
Oh good! I am saved!Quote:
Originally posted by bochen4
The devil is simply the absence of God. Like Darkness is the absence of Light.
Man is concerned with the punishments that come with sin. God is much more concerned with the glory and exaltation that man will miss out on if he chooses to leave the path that God has lain down for him to follow.
The devil, simply put, is all things that are not in Christ. Where are you?
I am inside's J.C's bun-hole! ^___________^
Is that so? Who says? Did your preacher tell you that? Not to quote a 2000 year old book as true, nor as false but, "Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."Quote:
Originally posted by bochen4
The devil is simply the absence of God. Like Darkness is the absence of Light. *
Man is concerned with the punishments that come with sin. God is much more concerned with the glory and exaltation that man will miss out on if he chooses to leave the path that God has lain down for him to follow. *
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The devil, simply put, is all things that are not in Christ. Where are you?
In my own experience this is true.
And the same for me. I am the microscosm. I am all things and I have power to know and to do all things.
http://www.astralbb.com/viewtopic.php?t=81
http://www.astralbb.com/viewtopic.php?t=86Quote:
But what Of the doing? *
Is it more important to BE, or is it important to DO? I say the latter, but it is based upon the first. I choose, I have my free will, I make my decisions. In the act of choosing is very important and I choose while keeping in my past experiences and things learned and gained, things that have become part of me, things that I am. I choose to be evil for example, to commit and evil act and to explore evil as it is and as I would be evil. That choice, is immensely important, and out of it things are created. I create aspects of myself that merge with me. I create an enviroment around me though that choice. I create consequences with that choice. And I even create oppertunities with that choice. But what matters more? What I create with the choice, or that choice alone? I say the choice alone, but even so, the things birthed by the original choice, can be used to make more choices, upon more choices upon more. *
In regards to that choice, nothing else matters, so much it matters not to the point that it isnt real. And the only real things I can see and call truly real, are things you cant necessarily touch, things you cant see directly. Things like consciousness and souls. Things like spirit and eternal essence. Everything else is just a by product of that and matters little in comparison. Its like my body, it not me, its not who I am. Its just a vehicle my soul used to get around in. But I can do things with it, and thats very important. Its a tool regardless, a very valuable and much sought after tool. *
Yet, they are real. Yet to be you must do. But what will one do? What will one choose? [/b]
This should get some interesting reply's 8) And yes, I am the user who wrote all of that.Quote:
I hinted at it before, but now I am going to say it straight up: mankind has the greatest potential and power. From the time we are born we are raised to think that magic is only in fairy tales. Well Im sure many of you have had experiences as younger children, and even now, that tell you quite otherwise. I remember once creating fire out of thin air, and burning down my yard. I know that I have somehow affected PHYSICAL objects around me with virtually no (conscious) intention to do so. I know that I have felt things that I call divine and that I have also felt the sadness of a demon. But, I also know that I am not pure, nor am I tainted. I am not a holy or evil person, I am not a body with 2 legs, a head, and 5 fingers on each of my hands. Yet I am those things, and so much more. And I know that I dont have limitations besides what I put there myself and no one else. I know the importance of getting rid of those limitations and changing for the better. I know that I always give to people yet I am actually giving to myself, that I am a selfish individual. I know that anything is possible. And I know that I speak the truth, both to myself, and to those around me.[/b]
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Yes,that is true but Lucifer is not, nor has He ever been satan...Quote:
Originally posted by Don128
yea i heard he was the most handsome person ever to even though he is betrayed as a big red guy with horns but are there any scpritures or anything that really says what he looks like
You're right Awaken, the 'morning star, son of the dawn' corresponds to the 'King of Babylon', a mortal man! Thank you :)Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Yes,that is true but Lucifer is not, nor has He ever been satan...
well my church believes that satan looks like the rest of us. he was one of gods children, and made a plan that said that he got all the glory and everyone got back to heaven, and jesus made one in which we got free will and the glory went to god.
FluBB
That like double Not-true, I mean it's religious fiction, And according to the bible satan used to be an angel I remember.Quote:
Originally posted by FluBB
well my church believes that satan looks like the rest of us. he was one of gods children, and made a plan that said that he got all the glory and everyone got back to heaven, and jesus made one in which we got free will and the glory went to god.
FluBB
satan has never been a angel...Quote:
Originally posted by Neruo
That like double Not-true, I mean it's religious fiction, And according to the bible satan used to be an angel I remember.
Lucifer was an angel or something.Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
satan has never been a angel...
And guess what awaken4e1, your view on christianity is even worse then Leo's, becouse Leo knows what he is talking about. You are just a kid (mentally) thats full of shit and uses letters in his name to look cool.
How would you explain Satan's existence?Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
satan has never been a angel...
How would you explain Satan's existence?
amen
Isa 54:16 Lo, I--I have prepared an artisan, Blowing on a fire of coals, And bringing out an instrument for his work, And I have prepared a destroyer to destroy.Quote:
Originally posted by Genjyo
How would you explain Satan's existence?
This serves an assurance that God is always in control and can even use the evil for good purposes. The next verse says: 17 no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me," declares the LORD.Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
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Isa 54:16 *Lo, I--I have prepared an artisan, Blowing on a fire of coals, And bringing out an instrument for his work, And I have prepared a destroyer to destroy.
Ezekiel 28 describes a fallen creature who once was righteous. He is not the only one though.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
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Originally posted by Genjyo
This serves an assurance that God is always in control and can even use the evil for good purposes. The next verse says: 17 no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me," declares the LORD.
That fallen creature is MANQuote:
Ezekiel 28 describes a fallen creature who once was righteous. He is not the only one though.[/b]
Those chains only last as long as those chained needs them too.Quote:
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.[/b]
Before I make any further comments, what scriptural evidence makes you believe Satan was not an angel?Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
That fallen creature is MAN
Those chains only last as long as those chained needs them too.
*crosses fingers in hopes that two Christians will start debating their interpretations of scripture.*
I doubt it will come down to that. I may have overlooked some scriptures, so I'm inquiring.Quote:
Originally posted by bradybaker
*crosses fingers in hopes that two Christians will start debating their interpretations of scripture.*
I don't know what the devil looks like but have always wondered why God didn't send the devil to Pluto or some other planet rather than earth. And then turn the devil loose in the garden of Eden. Makes no sense to me!! But then, what do I know?
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Originally posted by Genjyo
Before I make any further comments, what scriptural evidence makes you believe Satan was not an angel?
Joh 8:44 Ye5210 are2075 of1537 your father3962 the3588 devil,1228 and2532 the3588 lusts1939 of your5216 father3962 ye will2309 do.4160 He1565 was2258 a murderer443 from575 the beginning,746 and2532 abode2476 not3756 in1722 the3588 truth,225 because3754 there is2076 no3756 truth225 in1722 him.846 When3752 he speaketh2980 a lie,5579 he speaketh2980 of1537 his own:2398 for3754 he is2076 a liar,5583 and2532 the3588 father3962 of it.846
are all those numbers intentional?Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Joh 8:44 Ye5210 are2075 of1537 your father3962 the3588 devil,1228 and2532 the3588 lusts1939 of your5216 father3962 ye will2309 do.4160 He1565 was2258 a murderer443 from575 the beginning,746 and2532 abode2476 not3756 in1722 the3588 truth,225 because3754 there is2076 no3756 truth225 in1722 him.846 When3752 he speaketh2980 a lie,5579 he speaketh2980 of1537 his own:2398 for3754 he is2076 a liar,5583 and2532 the3588 father3962 of it.846
FluBB
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Originally posted by FluBB
are all those numbers intentional?
FluBB
Yes, They are part of the translation (KJV) reference to thr orginal text...
LOL damn. As soon as I saw this thread title I was going to post that picture!Quote:
Hi Awaken4e1! This helped me identify Satan as a once a holy and unblemished angel.Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Joh 8:44 Ye5210 are2075 of1537 your father3962 the3588 devil,1228 and2532 the3588 lusts1939 of your5216 father3962 ye will2309 do.4160 He1565 was2258 a murderer443 from575 the beginning,746 and2532 abode2476 not3756 in1722 the3588 truth,225 because3754 there is2076 no3756 truth225 in1722 him.846 When3752 he speaketh2980 a lie,5579 he speaketh2980 of1537 his own:2398 for3754 he is2076 a liar,5583 and2532 the3588 father3962 of it.846
He allowed himself to be corrupted. Jesus states in John 8:44 (which you quoted) that Satan did not abode in the truth. The logical conclusion is that he once abided by the truth. In the beginning he became a murderer. That means there had to have been someone to murder. Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan, bringing sin into human existence and leading to death.
Gen 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Gen 3:1-24
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
Rev 5:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
In regards to Ezekiel 28, this is also a parallel to Satan. Ezekiel 28:13, 14 You were in Eden, the garden of God...You were anointed as a guardian cherub
makes it clear that Satan was an angel. And that he fell, Ezekiel 28:15-17 “You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in you…your heart was lifted up because of your beauty, you have corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor…”.
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Gen 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."Quote:
He allowed himself to be corrupted. Jesus states in John 8:44 (which you quoted) that Satan did not abode in the truth. The logical conclusion is that he once abided by the truth. In the beginning he became a murderer. That means there had to have been someone to murder. Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan, bringing sin into human existence and leading to death.
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Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
Rev 5:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
In regards to Ezekiel 28, this is also a parallel to Satan. Ezekiel 28:13, 14 You were in Eden, the garden of God...You were anointed as a guardian cherub
makes it clear that Satan was an angel. And that he fell, Ezekiel 28:15-17 “You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till iniquity was found in you…your heart was lifted up because of your beauty, you have corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor…”.[/color][/quote
This is the common teaching which must sought out deeper, this breeds fear of satan in the people who believe that he was once the most beautiful angel, When he is the father of lies, (is) and always has been, (from the beginning) a murderer which means from his very creation... Ezl. 28 is speaking of anionted cherub (Man) which brought light (God's light) into the world.
He was pure in the goodness of God but he knew not evil, which was the purpose for the fall. The Word teaches us that satan transforms (himself) into an angel of light, but remember he is the father of lies,he is not, nor has he ever been an angel, he only makes people believe that he is...
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But he wasn't created as a father of lies. His beginning was of an angel who freely chose to become an opposer to God. I agree with your assessment of his current status, but he wasn't always so per the scriptures.Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
He was pure in the goodness of God but he knew not evil, which was the purpose for the fall. The Word teaches us that satan transforms (himself) into an angel of light, but remember he is the father of lies,he is not, nor has he ever been an angel, he only makes people believe that he is...
Please look at the words from the beginning in the original text, it means from his very creation he was a murderer. He is what he always has been from the brginning. He is the waster to destory.Quote:
Originally posted by Genjyo
But he wasn't created as a father of lies. His beginning was of an angel who freely chose to become an opposer to God. I agree with your assessment of his current status, but he wasn't always so per the scriptures.
O' just a little side note Man is the only creation which has rebelled against God, satan has always had to ask God to do anything. Remember Job, and what satan said to God (I can't touch him you have a hedge around him)?
Yes!!
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You know it's true =)
If man is the only creation which has rebelled against God, why are some angels sentenced to judgement?Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Please look at the words from the beginning in the original text, it means from his very creation he was a murderer. He is what he always has been from the brginning. He is the waster to destory.
O' just a little side note Man is the only creation which has rebelled against God, satan has always had to ask God to do anything. Remember Job, and what satan said to God (I can't touch him you have a hedge around him)?
2 Peter 2:4 For God did not spare even the angels when they sinned; he threw them into hell in gloomy caves and darkness until the judgment day.
Since the Bible also refers to Satan as “the prince of demons” (Matthew 12:24), and speaks of “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41) a reasonable conclusion is that the devil is the leader of a group of angels who rebelled against God.
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If man is the only creation which has rebelled against God, why are some angels sentenced to judgement?
2 Peter 2:4 For God did not spare even the angels when they sinned; he threw them into hell in gloomy caves and darkness until the judgment day.
For the wages of sin is (Death) which all who sin shall recieve
Since the Bible also refers to Satan as “the prince of demons” (Matthew 12:24), and speaks of “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41) a reasonable conclusion is that the devil is the leader of a group of angels who rebelled against God.
It would help to know the menaing of the word 'Angel' which is 'a messenger' and there are good messengers and evil ones. In order for satan to have followers they would have had to have been exposed to evil, and the process of evil which is the fall of man, and evil men, are his messengers.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Their are those who have at God's right 'the righteous, and at his left the evil.
It is even explained in the following verses which are good messengers in conparison.
'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and whom I will I hardeneth.'
Jon 2:8 Those observing lying vanities their own mercy forsake.
The Rev.
The nature of the spiritual angels, for good or evil, is the real issue. We may disagree, oh well :P
As it is with man!Quote:
Originally posted by Genjyo
The nature of the spiritual angels, for good or evil, is the real issue. We may disagree, oh well :P
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Judge ITM scores the bout 19 to 21 in favor of the challenger...Genjyo.
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Originally posted by InTheMoment
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Judge ITM scores the bout 19 to 21 in favor of the challenger...Genjyo.
"It was a pound for pound, lightning round, put the house mortgage down kind of match, but ultimately it came down to who had the best moves."
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haha j/k! ( :goodjob: Awaken!) it was your everyday friendly talk about the Prince of
Darkness.
2Co 11:14 and no wonder--for even the Adversary doth transform himself into a messenger of light;Quote:
Originally posted by Genjyo
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"It was a pound for pound, lightning round, put the house mortgage down kind of match, but ultimately it came down to who had the best moves."
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haha j/k! ( :goodjob: Awaken!) it was your everyday friendly talk about the Prince of
Darkness.
It is something (he) does to fool those who know not his true nature.
Absolutely, he is a master of deceit. I didn't really get an answer from you regarding the following:Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
2Co 11:14 and no wonder--for even the Adversary doth transform himself into a messenger of light;
It is something (he) does to fool those who know not his true nature.
If man is the only creation which has rebelled against God, why are some angels sentenced to judgement?
2 Peter 2:4 For God did not spare even the angels when they sinned; he threw them into hell in gloomy caves and darkness until the judgment day.
Since the Bible also refers to Satan as “the prince of demons” (Matthew 12:24), and speaks of “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41) a reasonable conclusion is that the devil is the leader of a group of angels who rebelled against God.
Rev 5:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Notice how they these malevolent entities are still referred to as angels? Demons are fallen, sinful angels. At one point in time, they along with their leader, were without these characteristics to make a clear distinction possible.
The Morning star is Jesus Christ, and the (son of the morning star is Adom=Man)Quote:
Originally posted by Genjyo
You're right Awaken, the 'morning star, son of the dawn' corresponds to the 'King of Babylon', a mortal man! Thank you :)
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Rev 22:16 `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!
So why did God throw the devil and his angles down to Earth rather than Pluto?? Seems like a dumb thing to do. The devil and his crew could have been on Pluto and us humans would have been better off.
How can a spirit be confinded to a physical place?Quote:
Originally posted by booker
So why did God throw the devil and his angles down to Earth rather than Pluto?? Seems like a dumb thing to do. The devil and his crew could have been on Pluto and us humans would have been better off.
It can't! satan has never taken physical form.
So God could have turned Satan into a rock and still put him on Pluto!! Why turn Satan loose in the Garden of Eden??
He was never turned loose, He was allowed to whisper...to awaken their minds unto evil, so to be made as God which is God's plan...Quote:
Originally posted by booker
So God could have turned Satan into a rock and still put him on Pluto!! Why turn Satan loose in the Garden of Eden??
for evryone he looks difrent
Awaken, I've been reading Isaiah 14 and found the taunt being addressed to the King of Babylon per verse 4. I can see how a parallel can be made to mankind in general, but direct consequences affecting this particular person are found in verses 16-23.
I suppose there is more than one answer to this, but from what I've studied from the Scriptures, Satan's opposition to the God's sovereignty affects all intelligent life. His presence felt on Earth lends credence there can never be anyone more powerful using the most extreme situations to present these charges.Quote:
Originally posted by booker
So why did God throw the devil and his angles down to Earth rather than Pluto?? Seems like a dumb thing to do. The devil and his crew could have been on Pluto and us humans would have been better off.
So us humans are just pawns in a big chess game between God and Satan?
Not really, we are the ones greatly affected in this and our decisions are of extreme value.Quote:
Originally posted by booker
So us humans are just pawns in a big chess game between God and Satan?
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Originally posted by booker
So us humans are just pawns in a big chess game between God and Satan?
No, no, we're not pawns at all. There is no game, it's a test. God always has control, we simply have to have opposition to be able to choose God's side. There's no point to being here if we don't have choice. We have to change in order to become like God, and that is the whole plan. Without choice, there is no change. If Satan were to have had his plan imlemented, everything would have been chosen for us, and we would have had no change. If we didn't know sadness and sorrow, we wouldn't be able to know the difference and choose happiness and joy, and through our choices, we learn what path will bring us the good.
Leo, you're right about creatures of evil being creatures of darkness.
A while ago, Leo, you wrote that Paul's first lie was that he was a saint. Where in scripture (besides the name of the books, which were given by the early Catholic portion of Christianity) did he ever claim to be a saint? In the Catholic sense of the term? To me, saint has always simply meant "follower of God or Christ," not "anointed holy representative of God" or whatever it is that the Catholics mean by that. And disciple means basically the same thing, maybe a little more. And how is it that you think Paul is a false apostle?
God in control?? Soldiers in Africa cut off childrens hands, rape young girls. People starving to death all over. Terrible suffering even in this country. God in control??
please read thisQuote:
Originally posted by booker
God in control?? Soldiers in Africa cut off childrens hands, rape young girls. People starving to death all over. Terrible suffering even in this country. God in control??
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29909
Don't waste your time...trust me. :roll:Quote:
Originally posted by Awaken4e1
please read this
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29909
I never do!Quote:
Originally posted by InTheMoment
Don't waste your time...trust me. *:roll:
I believe he looks like what he wishs to I dont thin khe has a contained form, but for a favourite Lucifer was gods most beautiful angel and his vanity caused his fall and so I believe his form would be very like his old form, an incredibly beautiful being, yet his eyes would have hcanged and his wings turned a red black colour
Lucifer is the covering cherub, but he is not, nor has he ever been satan.Quote:
Originally posted by darklordofall
I believe he looks like what he wishs to I dont thin khe has a contained form, but for a favourite Lucifer was gods most beautiful angel and his vanity caused his fall and so I believe his form would be very like his old form, an incredibly beautiful being, yet his eyes would have hcanged and his wings turned a red black colour
Wrong being, satan was created a murderer...
In revelations, it says satan is the great dragon. Seven headed, and with red scales I think.
Satan and Lucifer are the same if you would care to look at the points
I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18) in this satan is called a great light and lucifers name being light bringer it fits
Just like Lucifer in Isaiah, Satan goes to hell:
Satan was cast out into the earth (Revelation 12:9) just like lucifer Satan was thrown into the earth and so he was thrown into hell like Lucifer so we can once more call them the same
in one version of the old testiment their is no satan just Lucifer
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming…How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer…thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (Isaiah 14:9-16 KJV)
now moving away from this all I am a satanist and seeing as most of the different docterines of the satanic church preach them as the same I can safelly believe they are the same being that we look at lucifer more closely than other people
finally Revelation authors describe a Satan which falls from heaven to hell, just as the Lucifer did in Isaiah, and furthermore the Satan they describe has the same light-giving property that the name Lucifer represents. Clearly, then authors either thought the two beings were one and the same, or at least that the Isaiah Lucifer prefigured the appearance of a Lucifer by another name, Satan.
Sure that would have been easy. But you got to remember, adam and Eve were there, and the angels were all around God watching. If he just instantly killed Satan right there, what kind of message would that be sending out? Well they would start to give way to doubt, like maybe God was afraid of such an attack, and therefore hiding something. Serious issues were raised by Satan such as the righteousness and rightfulness of God's sovereignty. The ones watching God kill Satan might then think that he was withholding from mankind freedom that would contribute to their happiness, and that man could live independent from God. God wanted these issues to be settled, so he allowed humans to rule themselves, which just goes to prove that man cant live without God, because what government has ever proved a success?Quote:
Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten
You know what's a total double standard about Satan? If this "God" is so overly powerful and wise, why dosen't he just snap his fingers and smite the devil as good is inherently more powerful than evil (as far as Christians are concerned)?
Oh and concerning the devil, he is not dipicted as the horned guy with red tights and a pitch fork or what not. And his name was not Lucifer. Lucifer was just a made up name of the Devil, which displays him to be glorious since it literally means "full of light." In the bible it just says in one passage, "shining one." But it is because Satan was once a very beautiful angel.
So now god serves us? he created us and now he must make our lives perfect and pan out every sort of flaw we come across? God doesn't need to do anything at all for us. If God did 1 good thing for one person in the whole of human existence, then that would be plenty enough to deserve my praise. Think about that. A perfect being that #1 created us #2 loves us #3 allows us to talk to him #4 created heaven for us. Thats pretty crazy in itself.Quote:
Originally posted by booker
God in control?? Soldiers in Africa cut off childrens hands, rape young girls. People starving to death all over. Terrible suffering even in this country. God in control??
The fact that he does anything is enough to give him credit for. Humans fall short of what we are supposed to be. He allows us to make choices.
Another thing is that we don't know how much god is preventing. God could be (i'm sure he is) preventing hell on earth. We just don't see it. All we see is the most horrible things.
The same way that the electrical signals within your brain are able to organize into an intelligent thought to form this question. Technically since matter and energy are one in the same (contact with antimatter actually releases energy, the non-condensed state of matter) there’s little difference between a spirit and a material being.Quote:
Demons don't exist. Explain to me how a bunch of energy can voluntary choose a 9 to 5 job scaring random people and do this. [/b]
The devil is believed by all mainstream Christian denominations and Christianity itself is the dominant religion of the world so in short, one could almost say that most people in the world believe in demons; such a lack of belief would be equal to a Jew’s disbelief in Abraham. Even without counting the Christians, it is notable that most religions have some sort of depiction of “the devil” and “hell” whether it is Hades or Satan. If we are to count this it becomes almost undeniable that most people believe in demons. Even the belief of possessions, something that the Catholic Church itself has cast a skeptical eye on seems to be widely believed by the public. After all, it took little to create an atmosphere of fear and superstition after the release of the movie “The Exorcist”.Quote:
Especially giving hardly anyone believes in them, any left of demon would have turned to gardening a long time ago. [/b]
Psychic abilities provide absolutely no proof of God. It is generally believed by parapsychologists that telekinesis is caused by either electromagnetic force or quantum mechanics. There is no need to jump to divine conclusions.Quote:
I hinted at it before, but now I am going to say it straight up: mankind has the greatest potential and power. From the time we are born we are raised to think that magic is only in fairy tales. Well Im sure many of you have had experiences as younger children, and even now, that tell you quite otherwise. I remember once creating fire out of thin air, and burning down my yard. I know that I have somehow affected PHYSICAL objects around me with virtually no (conscious) intention to do so. I know that I have felt things that I call divine and that I have also felt the sadness of a demon. But, I also know that I am not pure, nor am I tainted. I am not a holy or evil person, I am not a body with 2 legs, a head, and 5 fingers on each of my hands. Yet I am those things, and so much more. And I know that I dont have limitations besides what I put there myself and no one else. I know the importance of getting rid of those limitations and changing for the better. I know that I always give to people yet I am actually giving to myself, that I am a selfish individual. I know that anything is possible. And I know that I speak the truth, both to myself, and to those around me.[/b]