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      Heaven or Hell?

      Which do you prefer?
      Most say heaven. Others are like "it's gonna be a party in hell all my friends are going"
      Well I am sorry to say no it wont be a party, unless getting your flesh torn apart, burned smothered by an endless eternal hoplessness and so on is fun?
      Then for everyone who says "Im goin' to heaven." How do you know? "Because I'm a good person" one might say. Well lets test that and see if you're a good person.

      Have you ever lied?
      Y/N
      Have you ever stolen anything? Even something small.
      Y/N
      Have you ever taken God's name in vain?
      Y/N

      Now on judgment day we shall be judged by the ten commandments. These were only Three of the ten. And breaking one once is enough. "Well I belive God will forgive me and let me in." Some reply.
      Well look at it this way. If someone had to face a judge in court for stealing a car once and said "I only did it once Im sorry" Will the judge let him go. No. He would not be good and just if he did so. And it is the same for God he is bound by the Law and he has written them on our hearts so we know when we are breaking His Laws. This is called a conscience. (con means "with, science "knowledge") "Well I guess Im guilty, but thats not fair!"
      Well do you know what He did for us so we wont have to go to hell?
      He sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins so that we may be with Him in heaven and have everlasing life. Isn't that amazing!!!???!?!??!?!?!?
      He paid the fine for us! And all we have to do is repent and put our faith in Jesus.
      That is not just good news its Great News!!!!! If you would like to repent today
      look at Psalm 53, but do it from the heart!
      There is no way, but through Christ Jesus. Our Lord and Savior.

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      Actually, there is a very basic difference between the propensities that lead either to Heaven or to Hell, and it has little to do with some of these arbitrary behaviors -- one can steal from where it won't be missed to fill a desparate need, or one can tell a lie to relieve desparation or distress -- as one is supposed to tell trauma victims that they "will be okay", to prevent lethal shock.

      So, if one applies one's discernment to the fundamental differences between Heaven and Hell, it is simply this -- Heaven is Civilized, Hell is Barbaric. Heaven is for those who are socially sophisticated, and comfortable with collective organizations -- comfortable with the flock, as are the herd animals who can subsist together without inflicting predatory behavior on one another. Hell, to the contrary, is for the predators, the individuals, the greedy, the selfish, the Barbarians, the Republicans, Tories and Libertarians. Especially the Free Masons. Also, it has been a noticeable trend that Protestants seem to vote along Barbaric lines, and so, while they profess a hope to go to Heaven, they would hate the Liberal Politics there and would much prefer the Individual Freedom and the support for Individual Greed and Ambition which are the hallmarks of Hell.

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      I deleted about five or six of these, all with the EXACT same post (and Leo replying to ALL of them).

      “Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are.”
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      God he is bound by the Law [/b]
      i disagree.

      and the doctrine of original sin will never find an adherent in myself. i believe the only heaven or hell i could potentially experience after physical death (if consciousness continues) would be one created by my own mind.

      "Love is the law, Do as you will"...that is my only morality, which i follow 'with knowledge". with knowledge that only myself can transmute base animal nature into incarnate divinity.

      i live to bring about heaven on earth, not to appease some poor excuse for a god 'bound' by human laws, blood sacrifices, and judgement of those he supposedly taints at birth.

      peace and love


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      God has aids.

      I think I will be going for the flame grill in hell. Burgerking has better burgers anyway. To bad there is no hell. Well actually not to bad, becouse I would get in it...

      To bad there isn't an afterlife that is not like heaver or hell, so I could LAUGH at christian people that were WRONG
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      trapped in purgatory

      Purgatory

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      Originally posted by A Lost Soul
      I deleted about five or six of these, all with the EXACT same post (and Leo replying to ALL of them).
      Yes, I did find that annoying, that the original Poster had to multiply his publications to such an extent, while it did not seem appropriate, to the obsessive consciousness, to leave any one of them without response.

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      Re: trapped in purgatory

      [quote]Purgatory

      Purgatory has an interesting History, I have heard. One story indicates that the Establishment of a Purgatory was without any real plan but was in a sense an impromptu response to developments. You see, a complete and utter Purity is necessary for Heaven, because heaven literally burns with Divine Light. Now, what we know about Light, is that if anything gets in its way, to absorb that Energy, then the Light becomes translated into Heat. Anyway, it seemed that the Security of Heaven was guaranteed by this very mechanism, that Impurity of any kind -- any Soul carrying anything left of whatever Material Karma would burst into the most painful Flames. No one would like that, and the Impure of Soul would stay far away.

      But as it happened, that is not how it turned out. Some of the most adventurous of Souls were attracted by the Light of Heaven and would approach despite the pain, with the mechanistic result that the closer they approached, the more their Impurities would be burned off -- Purged.

      After a time, there would be these Purified -- Purged -- souls knocking at the very Gates of Heaven, with there no longer being much of a reason for keeping them out.

      Theoretically, this informal system might seem to have been fine, but once the Angels saw the value of the mechanism, missions were created to improve and optimize the Approach, and it all became something of a Spiritual Institution.

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      Re: trapped in purgatory

      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      Purgatory has an interesting History, I have heard. One story indicates that the Establishment of a Purgatory was without any real plan but was in a sense an impromptu response to developments. You see, a complete and utter Purity is necessary for Heaven, because heaven literally burns with Divine Light. Now, what we know about Light, is that if anything gets in its way, to absorb that Energy, then the Light becomes translated into Heat. Anyway, it seemed that the Security of Heaven was guaranteed by this very mechanism, that Impurity of any kind -- any Soul carrying anything left of whatever Material Karma would burst into the most painful Flames. No one would like that, and the Impure of Soul would stay far away.

      But as it happened, that is not how it turned out. Some of the most adventurous of Souls were attracted by the Light of Heaven and would approach despite the pain, with the mechanistic result that the closer they approached, the more their Impurities would be burned off -- Purged.

      After a time, there would be these Purified -- Purged -- souls knocking at the very Gates of Heaven, with there no longer being much of a reason for keeping them out.
      Theoretically, this informal system might seem to have been fine, but once the Angels saw the value of the mechanism, missions were created to improve and optimize the Approach, and it all became something of a Spiritual Institution.
      That is interesting. I had always known it to be a hell on earth. An inbetween heavan and hell. Trapped. To suffer in agony, dispair and pain.
      But with these additions one could still amke itto heavan. And also I would guess hell might want them too??

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      Re: trapped in purgatory

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      That is interesting. I had always known it to be a hell on earth. An inbetween heavan and hell. Trapped. To suffer in agony, dispair and pain.
      But with these additions one could still amke itto heavan. And also I would guess hell might want them too??


      Howetzer... you surprise me with your interesting questions... (you remind me that my business when I was pressed into the Military Forces in my youth... no, I will not tell you for which Nation I fought or in which War... was in the Artillery, to fire Howetzers).

      Regarding Hell. Catholic Theologians have been thrown into a chaotic uproar by the Marian Apparition at Fatima Portugal in 1917 who succeeded in pressing through the reform of adding a Prayer Clause to the well established Rosary Prayer, which is as follows:

      Holy Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the Fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy Mercy.

      Well, I might be crazy but those in most need of Thy Mercy would sound a lot like those souls in Hell, wouldn't they.

      It makes one wonder whether the struggles and torments of hell, even if they are inflicted by those of similar mind, do eventually bring about a change of Heart.

      Let us say that Stalin goes to hell and is victimized by Hitler. Hitler has Stalin put in chains and has Stalin roosted over open flames, just to intimidate him and show him who is boss (since that is probably how Hell is run, not being much different from the World). Well, it could be that Stalin might come to reflect that this is the very way he used to treat people, and that it is not so fun when he is on the receiving end. Who knows but that George Bush, though infinitely stupid, might even be susceptable to an infinitely powerful impression that inflicting loss upon others (and is not Economic Competition the infliction of Loss upon others?) is to be ultimately regretted.

      So, it may be that some certain souls in hell might have a political change of heart.

      Afterall, life had been short. Some people are not so smart and discerning. Perhaps only in Hell they came to understand where they went wrong, and have truly come to repent of it.

      there was even a short time that I read Ayn Rand, that conservative nazi bitch, and thought of the value of Indivuality -- and then the Reagan Revolution showed us that, no, individuals are simply exploitive predators with no socially redeeming value. And I went back to Socialism, congratulating myself that I had had an open mind for an minute, but the good sense to shake off some silly fictional propaganda. But my point is, people may be caught up by prevalent cultural values of their time, and only when they are in Hell, and receive the 'opposite and equal moral reaction' to their Karma, their dealings with others, that they come to reflect that they had been wrong, and that they truly come to repent of their behaviors.

      Well, the Theologians had always thought that hell was Eternal. But now, with Mary's Prayer, which they were not successfully able to derail, but was incorporated into the Rosary with or without their approval or concurrance, they are confronted with the Possibility that even Souls in Hell may be lifted up and out because of their Honest Regret.

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