Originally posted by boris
Do you see anyone on this thread. That actually believes everything u argue against?... That's what I mean when you argue against a straw man belief system. First find the person who believes what you are arguing against.
Genjyo seems to have fairly normal christian beliefs. And as I've already pointed out to you; billions of people believe in the christianity that we argue against on this forum. For our arguments to be straw-men we'd have to be distorting the christian beliefs and arguing against something we made up.
..Many times has my beliefs being taken out of context because of this mentality...[/b]
How can we take your beliefs out of context when you absolutely refuse to explain them? We're addressing these arguments to people who believe in the christian (or any similar god), not some vague "belief" which hasn't even been quantified yet. You know, this would probably make all your objections to our arguments straw-men. They might be stupid and illogical in your uber-advanced belief system, but us mere mortals aren't talking in that context. And refutation of our arguments on that ground are refuting a version of our argument that you made up.
on that note:
What is the point in me trying to explain my beliefs to you.[/b]
Because I asked? Because it would help everyone understand your points? Because it's a truism that you only understand something to the extent to which you can explain it?
Why should I give them to you all on a platter when you are not ready to understand them. Ever herd the saying that you don't throw your pearls to swine. [/b]
Why don't you just try and explain them, and I'll decide if I can understand them or not?
You have a question just ask it , it's simple. You can stop saying I haven't answered your question and just ask it. If you are not happy with the reply. Tell me why, and I will elaborate if there is time. *
The question what is your beliefs. It not an intelligent one because not only is it unprecise but it cannot possible be answered in a way you can understand at this point without a great deal of effort. [/b]
I think the real problem here is that you're going to have to go to a bit of effort. For once on this board you're going to have to explain yourself which, you might have noticed, a lot of people do (and do quite well). Yes, this requires stringing more than a few sentences together - but I'm sure you can manage (everyone else does). If you're stuck and can't figure out what to write about, think about some other well defined belief system and what it entails (a god (or gods), an afterlife, a creation, a purpose for humanity, etc). Is it really that much trial to write down something you obviously value a lot?
And even then you would not understand. You have already demonstrated this. So why should I waste my effort trying to explain my entire belief system to you? If you want an answer be realistic and ask a more precise question which I am willing to waste time on you to answer. [/b]
If I don't understand your explanation it will only be because you cant explain it coherently. Not agreeing with your religion is more likely, but that does not automatically mean not understanding.
Yes - I'm asking a question that is not extremely precise, that leaves a little room for interpretation. Big deal, have you never received an essay question in school or university? The fact that it's not precise should make this easier for you.
So again: unless you want to explain some sort of coherent belief system, could you please do us all a favour and stop making snide comments about other peoples beliefs and destroying straw-man versions of our arguments using your mystical "too hard to explain so I'm just righter than you" belief system? Look, I'll even lend a hand and start you off:
My beliefs are actually a lot like <belief system x>, although there are a few differences. <Belief system x> is probably best understood by its ....
or maybe
My beliefs don't exactly pigeonhole into a traditional belief, as I've taken principles from many different faiths. I guess the main parts of my belief system are:
-spoon
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