Thread: Religion both wrong and Good?

I don't agree with people who say religion is good for the world. Those people don't actually give a damn about religious beliefs. But I also don't agree with people who say religion was the sole reason for the hindrance of technological development over the millienia.

After beginning to question the Bible, I don't see it was an ok book with a few good stories. I downright hate the whole thing sometimes, feeling betrayed into made to believe something that only may be true.

Also, the thing I have against religion is that the morals are motivated by fear of punishment from a deity. To me, this motivation works only as long as the sheep don't know what's going on. But after thinking upon this point, I only felt insulted and greatly angered.

Plus, most of those Christian publications you see in bookstores are crap written by crap pastors and stuff. I get sick of it..

In theory most religions are quite good. It's about loving and blablabla. However, in most cases relgious people tend to think they are the only right people, so they stick together, brainwashing each other and their children, and hating people with other believes.

Like communism, in theory it's nice (even though it's bullshit, the bible). However it doesn't work.

religion has brought more crap then good things.

I don't think any form of self-reinforcing delusion is good, regardless of how comforting it might be.

Originally posted by bradybaker
I don't think any form of self-reinforcing delusion is good, regardless of how comforting it might be.

Yeah lies are cool. Like alcohol and other drugs, but way more adictive and you are on a constand 'high', so the high becomes the average so it's a useless drug.

I won't speak against God. But it's just the self-proclaimed delegation that many people claim to have for god. Then they do bunch of shit in god's name, worst ones mainly the crusades and inquisitions. Some perverted pastors even abuse their power to convince women to have sex with them, thinking it'll make them pure! People do a lot of good things in God's name, but I think it's fundamentally no different. They operation from what they think God wants them to do at best.

AHiddenSaint, you are perfect and wonderful and amazing, just as we all are.
Find your own truth.
I love you as I love everyone, equally and Unconditionally.

What a nice response Tom..Peace

yay

As a Christian I agree with alot of what some of you are saying. There are lot of people who use religion as a wall between them and the world. As a why to say you wrong and I'm right. We all have one thing that we can never change. We are all human. I have a few members of my family who are terribly judgemently and tend to hide behind the religious wall they have built. I am totally opposite. I think it is important to love and embrace people for who they are and not what we think they should be. My main problem is I have my own wall I have built this wall is the wall to keep people away that I don't think will accept me. As I work to break that wall down I find the there are sea of accepting faces on the other side waiting for me. I usually don't make it a point to defend my religion because it to me is pointless and just an opening for debate...however just as people feel like religious people judge them, you do the same to us. There are many Christians who are very open, accepting, and loving. And I'm far from perfect. I am overcoming a long time addiction to alcohol. I've been sober for almost two months. I traded my bottle of beer for a Bible. I don't feel as though it was a bad decision at all.

Yes, Christianity, like many other religions, preaches love and compassion. Thanks to the teachings of the bible, many Christians, although some of them look down upon non-Christians in a way, are willing to help people that are in trouble. In fact, i will go as far as to say that I think Americans are generally very nice people, and Christianity is an important factor in that.
My goal is to be able to accept that there is no higher power and that there is no life after death, while at the same time being kind to other people, even if it's just to prove that you don't have to be religious in order to be a good person, which means that if I am a nice person, this is essentially also because of my belief. >.>

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AHiddenSaint, you are perfect and wonderful and amazing, just as we all are.
Find your own truth.
I love you as I love everyone, equally and Unconditionally. *[/b]

I honestly think that is what we are all here to do. Plus if I am to find truth who is to say my truth is the right truth? I rather others be able to find their own truth then force my will upon someone. I think it is very important we all learn from another.

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Yes, Christianity, like many other religions, preaches love and compassion. Thanks to the teachings of the bible, many Christians, although some of them look down upon non-Christians in a way, are willing to help people that are in trouble. In fact, i will go as far as to say that I think Americans are generally very nice people, and Christianity is an important factor in that.
My goal is to be able to accept that there is no higher power and that there is no life after death, while at the same time being kind to other people, even if it's just to prove that you don't have to be religious in order to be a good person, which means that if I am a nice person, this is essentially also because of my belief. >.>

What makes America good is the freedom to worship freely and to question at the same time. I do not want any religion as a hold on our nation, but I do not blame people for that. Any society can over reach no matter what religion they are. We all just need to find the balance. Part of understanding another's own culture and religion helps others understand ours as well. If I were to say my belief is better then yours I would be wrong because then I take away that freedom for someone else to find their own idea's. I think we are all here basically to learn from another in that way and sense.

Regarding Christianity, its Doctrines and its History... you will find that if you divide it up into Good and Bad, Right and Wrong, Light and Darkness, you will find that all the Things of Christ and Mary will be on the Side of Goodness, Right and Light, and all the things of Paul and Greek Gentilism will on the Side of the Devil, what we should see as Antichristical.

You see, I am an Old Man now, but when I was young I set off on a study of the Saints of all the World Religions in order to discern what it was that they all had in common -- it was an effort to deduce the essential factors of a working Spiritual Religion. One of my observations was that Paulist Christianity never ever had a Christ-like Supernatural Saint -- the Catholic Secular Clergy is as spiritual impotent as any Protestant, and Protestantism has gone 500 years without its first Saint. The Marian Catholics, though subjudgated enough by the Bishops of the Secular Clergy so that they cannot overtly pronounce against Paul and Paulist Doctrine, nevertheless, ignore Paul and Paulist Doctrines in all of the Spiritual Practices.

Regarding the other Religions of the True Saints, we have seen Saints come out of Zoroastrianism and its Sufi Sects (while Sufis say they are Islamic, well... they have to say that or they become Dead Sufis, but historically the Sufis predate Islam and source back out of Zoroastrianism. Sufis are to Islam what the Catholic Religious Orders are to Christianity -- Secret Spirituality held under duress and suppression by Idiotic and Satanic Usurpers). We have had Hindu Saints, with their Yoga, attain to Sainthood. And then their are the Mahayana Buddhists. People talk of Real Buddhists as opposed to the Mahayana or the Later Buddhists... but if you want an Effective Religion and Spirituality, one needs to look at the New and Improved Buddhist Sects for any signs of Effective Spiritual Development. The Original Buddhists resolve to a kind of amoral nihilistic materialism which seeks to implement a kind of voluntary catatonia or autism -- a way of coping with Reality through escapism. That is not what Spiritualism is about. What the Mahayana Movement did for Buddhism was to discern the necessity for Social Morality and Collectivism into their practical view of Spirituality.

Moral Collectivism is one of those central and essential elements of what we can discern as the Religion of the Saints, the Saints of the Higher Religions. People talk about 'love', and though I find it a silly word, one can see it over and over again in the Saints of the Higher Spiritual Religions and the Supernatual Miraculous Saints. To lift 'love' above the silliness, one can reduce it to the concept of recognizing that their is a actual sympathy and substrate which joins all Humanity together in one great common Life-force. In essential spiritual terms, we are not just separate individuals, but we are all One. Spiritual Realization is the recognition that we are part of a Collective Consciousness.