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      Anyone have purely Christ/God dreams?

      Hey, if anyone has had dreams featuring Christ/God as a major DC they would make for interesting reading here.

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      Whenever I go lucid I make a point of conjuring up God and giving him the finger.
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      one of my christian friends showed me an interesting book about a woman who had "visions" of jesus.

      basically she would lie in bed, and the "holy spirit" would descend in a wave of vibrations, which sometimes lasted more than twenty minutes (sound familiar? ). she would then be transported to various places including heaven and hell, and receive messages from jesus himself.

      she even claims he showed her the scars on his hands. (not knowing i assume, that roman crucifixions nailed through the wrists, as hands cannot support the body weight, and simply tear under the strain....)

      the book is called "heaven is so real" by choo thomas...it was interesting and i confess, quite humourous to peruse (even the title makes me chuckle). i wonder if she would feel as sure she is god's messenger if she knew about sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, and the fact that much of her 'divine revelation' is demonstrably false..


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      Re: Anyone have purely Christ/God dreams?

      Originally posted by booker
      Hey, if anyone has had dreams featuring Christ/God as a major DC they would make for interesting reading here.
      During my most Orientalist Phase, when I had done the most to distance myself from Christianity, still, in my dreams, Christian Termonlogies kept cropping up.

      In one dream in particular:

      Maybe my most central and defining Vision was in a Big Dream which started out with myself at the grave of Erasmus, a Catholic of whom it was said that 'he laid the Egg for the Reformation which Luther only hatched'. It was highly unfair, with the Protestants attempting to usurp a Catholic who was only against the Corruption of the Bishops but entirely Loyal to The Church as a Moral Institution. Anyway, in the Dream, there was graffiti on the Tomb Stone which said that "Erasmus would not live beyond the Grave". I was still young and said, "That is silly... Everyone lives beyond the Grave". Then... I can't minimize this... I saw God. He was like a Burning Oak Tree with Fires of Every Color. Without time to think or feel I instantly fell upon my knees almost as an automatic reflex and tears reflexively exploded from my eye sockets... and yet no strong emotion overwhelmed me. God said "No, not all shall live beyond the Grave, but Erasmus will." And then I had the presence of Mind to ask God "What about me? Will I live beyond the Grave?" It was almost like I took God Himself aback, as though I were the first Human Being to ever to speak to His Face. It took God a moment to consider whether or not to reply, or even what would be His answer. Finally after a pause long enough to make me begin to worry, God spoke: "You too will live beyond the Grave, but remember One Thing: Birth is But an Illusion and Christ is the Life in All Things".

      then there had been another dream vision which was infused with the Christ-like event of wondering into the wilderness:

      One of my first Visions showed that Religion was supposed to be more than a onerous obligation and painful duty. Suddenly I was confronted by this broadly smiling face of a young man*, barely old enough to have his first scraggly whiskers. His complexion was dark and I supposed he was of India. His smile was so intense and his face so close to mine that I was somewhat taken aback. Then a Voice came out of the Sky and said, “Then He went into the Wilderness and became One”. Then I realized that this young man was a Young Christ… maybe not Jesus Christ… but one approaching that same Spiritual Status.

      As the Voice spoke the Young Saint turned and walked off into the sparse brush, and then I noticed that each bush and blade of grass glowed with a Blue-Silver Aura… the same Aura as the Young Saint. This New Christ was experiencing the Life Force of all things. It was his feeling of Unity in All Life which gave Him His immense Joy – his unbelievably broad smile.

      Such is what is offered when we are invited to True Religion. Yet some people think of Religion only as an emotional crutch, or a social and moral necessity. Yes, Religion has performed these roles. But there is the standing invitation to go way beyond that.

      * I would bet it was a young Ramakrishna, the Guru of Vivekananda, and the founder of the Ramakrishna Society – a Society which publishes the best edition of a Translated Bhagavad Gita I have ever found.

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      Originally posted by bradybaker
      Whenever I go lucid I make a point of conjuring up God and giving him the finger. *
      You say this, but you can detail no specific Dream.

      But I guess it should not be surprising to find that an Atheist would also be a liar.

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      Originally posted by Leo Volont


      You say this, but you can detail no specific Dream. *

      But I guess it should not be surprising to find that an Atheist would also be a liar.
      lol. Christians Live a lie.

      And I once had a dream that jesus was a donkey and I made sweet love to him 3 times in a row.
      really.
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      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      You say this, but you can detail no specific Dream. *

      But I guess it should not be surprising to find that an Atheist would also be a liar.
      Actually I was kidding. Calm down Leo.
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      Well, I did have that one dream about being in a boat, and struggling to get to an island with an unconscious Jebus in a storm...then being carried through space in god's arms...man, I'll have to have my fan on more often at night...that was one cool effect...
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      Originally posted by bradybaker

      Actually I was kidding. Calm down Leo.
      Yes, and that is what is wrong... atheists kid about everything. They've lost their moral compass. You tell an untruth and it doesn't occur to you that lying, that misrepresenting the truth might be something of a problem. Again this only demonstrates what I have been saying all along, that any morality depends upon an assumed religious and spiritual foundation. The same Logic that disproves God also invalidates any sense of Morality. The same Self Interest that murders God must necessarily do away with any moral restraints. Atheists can pretend to retain some sense of distinction between the traditional understandings of Right and Wrong, Good and Bad, which have come down to us via Religion, but as soon as any moral sense requires the least inconvenience or sacrifice, that the logical insight readily asserts that while Morality may be all well and good seen in isolation, but it certainly is not important enough to be allowed to hold us back from our ambitions, careers or enjoyments.

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      Re: Anyone have purely Christ/God dreams?

      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      Anyway, in the Dream, there was graffiti on the Tomb Stone which said that "Erasmus would not live beyond the Grave". *I was still young and said, "That is silly... Everyone lives beyond the Grave". *Then... I can't minimize this... I saw God. *He was like a Burning Oak Tree with Fires of Every Color. *Without time to think or feel I instantly fell upon my knees almost as an automatic reflex and tears reflexively exploded from my eye sockets... and yet no strong emotion overwhelmed me. *God said "No, not all shall live beyond the Grave, but Erasmus will." *And then I had the presence of Mind to ask God "What about me? *Will I live beyond the Grave?" *It was almost like I took God Himself aback, as though I were the first Human Being to ever to speak to His Face. *It took God a moment to consider whether or not to reply, or even what would be His answer. *Finally after a pause long enough to make me begin to worry, God spoke: *"You too will live beyond the Grave, but remember One Thing: *Birth is But an Illusion and Christ is the Life in All Things".
      I can't help myself not to ask, not too long ago you described a very similar dream:

      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      Once the Angel of God spoke to me and told me that not all would live beyond the grave, but that a certain famous soul would. I was surprised at the time that an angel would admit that some souls would simply go out of existence, but such is the case. I even had the nerve to ask about my own soul, and the Angel paused as though in contemplation and finally assured me of my own survival. But I often wonder what that pause meant. I would live beyond the grave, but for how long.
      In this dream it wasn't God, but an (the?) Angel. Supposing you are not lying, why did you ask the Angel, when you already had the answer from God himself (since you said you were young by that time, I suppose the dream with God came earlier)?

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      Re: Anyone have purely Christ/God dreams?

      Originally posted by jhk

      In this dream it wasn't God, but an (the?) Angel. Supposing you are not lying, why did you ask the Angel, when you already had the answer from God himself (since you said you were young by that time, I suppose the dream with God came earlier)?
      This is splitting hairs. God's only means of manifesting Himself to the Material Universe is through the Agency of His Angels. When one says that one was in the Presense of the Very Angel of God, what is being said is that one was visited by God... EXCEPT... that the perfect essence of God cannot be witnessed by any mere mortal... one gets caught in a circle of metaphysics. But simply speaking, God IS His Angels. For instance, the Omnipotence and Omnipresence of God are meaningless if we do not consider that God's Power and Knowledge recide in the Angels.

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      I had a Jesus dream. In all honestly it was the first time I ever had a dream with something looking like what we commonly view Jesus in the west. Keep in mind I say look like because it was a dream and I do not claim I am in anyway talking to God or speaking as a messager of God. Although I will admit that I do get to the point in dreams that my dream character believes he is a God. Most of the time when that happens it is kind of like awaking to a whole new level of defending myself within the dream.

      Well anyway back to the Jesus deam: I was in a large city that had subways, cars, and everything a normal LARGE city might have. A figure in bright light that looked very much like Jesus kept saying Save them! It was around that time that large objects started falling out of the sky pretty much destorying much of the city.

      The reason why I gave the short version is this was a good while back when I had the dream like that. Most of my dreams would usually be of angels and me being part of them. I even remember a lot of dreams being welcomed up in what would be my minds eye version of heaven. Keep in mind I say my minds eye because I'm not saying I actually went to the real heaven, but a dream version. I have even battled before in my dreams with a figure calling himself a Arch Angel.

      IBTW you wouldn't believe how many strange things have happen in my life. My cousin and I were chased when we were younger by a object that might have been a UFO or just a low flying plane. I am not saying I believe in UFO's it was just a pretty cool event. You see we were in the middle of the road or near by the road at his house which is in the country so there is a pretty good ways from the road to the front door. Well I kept watching this object in the sky.that looked like a star.

      The object itself kept getting bigger and bigger to the point that a very large flying object was upon us. What is funny I wasn't afraid of what was happening, but my cousin started running towards the house and pretty much pulled me as well when he noticed I wasn't moving. When we got to the house the object itself just flew over. That was also the only time I ever had that happen and no we were not drinking.

      Oh there was also another thing that happen to me. I woke up in the middle of the night when nobody else was awake. When I was looking at the door two figures were standing there. These figures looked like normal human beings only they were dressed in a doctor and nurse outfit. Again here for some reason I did not feel threaten by whatever they were standing there because they had smiles on their face like they were looking at a small child of theirs in the proud motherly fatherly way. Keep in mind these people did not look like my parents in any form or shape.

      Ok now there was another event that was pretty cool that has happen to me. When I was laying down in my bed a matelic liquid metal type sphere started to form. Now this freaked me out because it was very close less then a foot away. As the object grew I felt my body startt to tingle all over as if instant numbness had taken over. What iis really strange I swear I felt myself start to rise up out of the bed as if I was floating a few inches above it. When the object went away everything stopped. So you see my dreams might not mean that much because I have been on the verge of crazy things happening to me all my life. The ironic thing is I have remained sane because I just move on to the next part of my life.

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      Originally posted by Leo Volont
      Yes, and that is what is wrong... atheists kid about everything. *They've lost their moral compass. *You tell an untruth and it doesn't occur to you that lying, that misrepresenting the truth might be something of a problem. *Again this only demonstrates what I have been saying all along, that any morality depends upon an assumed religious and spiritual foundation. *The same Logic that disproves God also invalidates any sense of Morality. *The same Self Interest that murders God must necessarily do away with any moral restraints. *Atheists can pretend to retain some sense of distinction between the traditional understandings of Right and Wrong, Good and Bad, which have come down to us via Religion, but as soon as any moral sense requires the least inconvenience or sacrifice, that the logical insight readily asserts that while Morality may be all well and good seen in isolation, but it certainly is not important enough to be allowed to hold us back from our ambitions, careers or enjoyments.
      Morality (like spirituality unfortunately) is an evolved behaviour.
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      Originally posted by bradybaker
      Morality (like spirituality unfortunately) is an evolved behaviour.
      It manifests indeed as a behaviour. From an evolved understanding.

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      Originally posted by bradybaker

      Morality (like spirituality unfortunately) is an evolved behaviour.
      We are seeing what may appear like a racial predisposition to Civilized Moral Behavior, as, for instance, the Chinese civilize almost automatically, whereas, some Peoples and Ethnic Groups are almost self-defined as primitive, ammoral and even proud of a Barbaric disposition. But, that being said, Morality must be supported by social institutions. Civilization, the successful ones, collectively agree upon codes of Morality -- not just Law. "Law" is what one can do until one gets caught. Morality is supposed to be Self-Enforcing. Children are brought up in it and everybody assumes that everybody will simply do what is "right". People coming into such a Civilized Situation might be surprised at what they find. An example of this would be with Catholic Civilizations moral injunction against usury -- lending money at interest. Jews, who once had similar moral injunctions from their own Religion, did not feel these restrictions applied when it came to an opportunity for exploiting non-Jews. The Jewish Business Model was perceived as essentially immoral. The Catholic Civiilization had taken non-usurous models for economic funding for granted. The Normans, new to Catholic Civilization, and sent off to fight the Crusades were easily influence to perceive the self-interested advantages to usurous lending and brought the practice back to Europe and competed with the Jews in their practice of taking more money out of each community then they were willing to put in -- the real reason why Usury is frowned upon (think about it, that in a Closed System where all money comes from the Banks, it is impossible to expect that all money can be paid back with an additional percent.... where is such money to come from? The same argument works for Profits in a Close Economic System, where one can wonder how Production that pays its Labor only a fraction of Price Value can expect this same Labor to pay full Price Value when it plays its part as Consumer. Economies must pay its Labor enough money to purchase production, but that would necessarily eliminate the Profit Margin. Essentially Capitalism can't work). So, you see, Civilization worked fine while the Social Institutions supported a Morality that went unquestioned and universally accepted. but when peoples from the outside, just as evolved as those on the inside, but simply not so well instructed, when they conspired and subverted the accepted Morality, the pillars of that Civilization began to errode.

      One must carefully evaluate the Moral Edifice of Civilization and then make sure everybody takes it to heart. And for Outsiders, where one cannot expect them to have any acquired Morality, one must be firm with the Law.... that would entail some Legal Enforcement ... what the Catholics had in their Inquisitions. Had the Catholics moved their Inquisitions into Germany and England, Civilization may have been saved.

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