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      Apocalypse

      OK. About the apocalypse. People think it will come soon? I think definately otherwise. Did Jesus not come down to Earth for the sake of healing the sinners? I do beleive that if God is so loving and kind he would give us far-from-perfect humans more than one chance to repent! My opinion is he will send Jesus more than once. The first time Jesus came the people eventually killed him. For what? Healing a few lepers? Making a few blind see? In my opinion, that is not a crime. If God sent him again, he would make SO much more of an impact on todays society. For one, you can't just kill a man for whatever reason these days. Therefore Jesus won't be killed at such a young age. If someone who is blind or has leprocy these days, was healed, the world would go bonkers and absolutley love this "Messiah". Also, with teens today, they ALL follow crazes. It's what they do. So when he gets on television all the kids will see him and follow him. Because kids idolize people, he could VERY simply become the idol of nearly every under 18 on the planet with access to a television. I conclude my statement by saying I do believe Jesus will come once more. Before the apocalypse anywho. But, I haven't read the bible and I'm only 13 so...

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      There is no reason to flame. You are just a misguided person. Don't feel bad, most americans are.

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      Originally posted by Neruo
      There is no reason to flame. You are just a misguided person. Don't feel bad, most americans are.

      God is made up, did you know that?
      But you know that... I say all is relative... If there is a god and "he" wants you to belive in him I am pretty sure he would have the power to tell you so him self...

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      i think the bible says that the anti-christ will come down pretending to be the messiah

      oh and Neruo...
      God is made up, did you know that?[/b]
      you keep saying shit like that like it is a fact...you think you are a genious who knows all the answers...you know nothing...and you annoy me...god is a possibility...evolution is a possiblity...humans being alien babys is a possibility...oprah being the anti christ is a possibilty...you dying today is a possibilty...you are misguided.

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      Just about 5 minutes after I post the thing a few pages above, I made another post somewhere else stating everything is relative and that there are no facts.

      So I am contradicting myself, lol it's the Internet. Who cares.

      Since Christians know for 100% certainty god is real I lower myself to that level and say god is 100% non-existant.

      Ah well, to bad. I don't care and I doubt anyone does if I not debate but rather flame (previous post was sarcasm, lol) in a 'disscusion' about relgion. Really, I talked to way to much to christains to not be annoyed, stubburn as I am for wanting to make people agree with me.

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      Why do i think this is going to get violent?
      I think he's taking this a little to seriously, Neruo.
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      Originally posted by Draco
      Why do i think this is going to get violent?
      I think he's taking this a little to seriously, Neruo.
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      Neuro,

      1. I'm an Aussie.
      2. I was merely stating my views on the apparent "Apocalypse"

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      If its real? Which im sure its not. Let it come, one second were here, one second were not. What the hell is the difference?
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      Re: Apocalypse

      Originally posted by Beef Jerky


      For one, you can't just kill a man for whatever reason these days. Therefore Jesus won't be killed at such a young age.

      Huh!?

      Look at both America and Israel where the Political Right came to domination by a systematic program of assinating the Liberal Opposition. America was being led by John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King... and they were killed. And those are only the one's we know about.

      In Israel they killed Rabin.

      Nowadays political assassinations are occurring all around the world. Both America and Israel have no problem with shooting missiles down from spy planes, and not just in countries that they declare war against. America recently bombed a house full of some nice civilian family, because they invited an Arab gentleman to dinner.

      so, put this into perspective... that Jesus not only had a trial, but he had two trials -- he was examined by both his local Jurisdiction, and then by the Imperial Governor. We could almost say that Jesus received something of the due process for his day. But cannot suppose we are as Civilized today as people were then. Jesus, today, would probably be either shot, poisoned, bombed, missiled or would simply disappear into the black hole of the American Enslavement Camps.

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      Re: Apocalypse

      Originally posted by Beef Jerky


      Did Jesus not come down to Earth for the sake of healing the sinners?

      What the hell is that supposed to mean?... to heal sinners.?

      I think that such a teaching is straight from the Antichrist!

      Why would God do anything to condone Sin?

      If one looks at the actual Teachings of Jesus, apart from the Paulist Doctrines retrofitted into the phoney Gospel of John, but if one looks at the Sermons in the synoptic Gospels, then one sees only Judgment. Christ did not come to Forgive, that is to condone Sin. Christ came to announce that Sin would be Judged. Christ came to exhort us to Righteousness and to warn us of the consequences of Sin. Yes, Paul, one of the murdering Pharisees, would subsequently teach that the Pharisees were wise to murder Christ, as a Sacrifice... as some Super Ticket for Free Sin -- but that only shows that Paul was the Antichrist. Remember the Prophet Simeon in the 2nd Chapter of Luke prophecized with his last words before he died that "Christ would be contradicted". And here you contradict Christ by maintaining that he came to make the road straight and easy for the Ways of Sin. Such a Teaching only serves Satan.... and the Protestants and Masons of Britain, America and Europe.

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      Leo,

      Heh... man you are heaps good at getting your point across... now I think what I said was one of the most stupidest things I could have done...
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      Originally posted by Beef Jerky
      Neuro,

      1. I'm an Aussie.
      2. I was merely stating my views on the apparent "Apocalypse"

      Beef Jekry,

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      2. That's ok. I am just generally pissed with anything having to do with (christian) religion. Sorry about that.
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      Originally posted by Neruo


      2. That's ok. I am just generally pissed with anything having to do with (christian) religion. Sorry about that.

      Well, the biggest problem there is that practically nobody hears anything about Marianism -- all of the many Apparitions of the Blessed Virgin. Then there have been all of the Saints of the Religious Orders that have been spiritually sponsored by Mary.

      The problem is that Protestantism either ignores Her, or positively define Her as the "whore of Babylon" to discredit Catholicism. And the Secular Clergy of the Catholic Church, who are practically all Paulists, are embarrassed by the Blessed Virgin who is more a favorite of the Religious Orders than of the Priests and Bishops. So many times complacently stupid Catholics will accuse me of not being a 'good catholic' because I express an exclusive loyalty to Mary and say that the Secular Clergy of the Paulist Priests and Bishops can all kiss my ass. They fairly ignore that the Marian Religious Orders are valid within themselves and are Spiritually and Religiously very well self contained. Indeed, one need only glance over the list of Miraculous Saints and one will notice a clear Trend -- that there has never been a Paulist Saint, but that every Saint has come from the Marian Orders. Indeed, nowadays the Paulists have decided to redress this imbalance by fraudulently declaring paulists to be 'saints' from simple political considerations... but they don't qualify under the old historical criteria, of demonstrating consistently throughout their lives the Miraculous and Supernatural fruits of the Vine of Christ. Looking at the roster of Priests and Bishops one finds the same number of Saints as one finds among the Protestants, that is, zero.

      Anyway, don't dismiss Christianity without examining Marianism and Marian Dispensation.

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      That had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I said leo you allso PMed me, I PMed you back, lets keep this sidetracked discussion in the PMs.

      Apocalypse now, nice movie.
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      Originally posted by Neruo
      That had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I said leo you allso PMed me, I PMed you back, lets keep this sidetracked discussion in the PMs.

      Apocalypse now, nice movie.
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      Originally posted by Draco
      Why do i think this is going to get violent?
      I think he's taking this a little to seriously, Neruo.
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      Wow, there is so much...
      First off, to get back to the original question and the answer beef jerky gave, I think that God has given us as humans more than enough times to repent, and he is a merciful God, and so he can't allow the unrighteous to persecute and lead away the righteous for much longer. He has to protect his people, because that was his covenant.

      And then there was Leo...
      Wow, dude, I had no idea you were so adamant about the way you think. Firstly, you're right, Jesus did come to warn of the consequences of sin, but just because he paid the price for sin, does not mean that we have a free "sin" ticket. If we want to truly repent, AND RECEIVE FORGIVENESS, we have to pay a price, one that is sometimes a very dear price, especially if the sin we committed was very severe. If Jesus does not forgive, then what was the point of warning us of the consequences of sin in the first place? It wouldn't do us any good, because we've all sinned, and will all sin again. It is the nature of our existence since the fall (though not because of original sin. What a stupid concept, and a very ignorant individual who put it into mainstream religion [damn Catholics. J/K, but some of the Catholic leaders back then were not very intelligent or righteous...]). We have to strive to be like Him, but we cannot do that in a sinful and fallen state, and only Jesus has the authority and power to forgive us our sins. Like I said, if you don't pay a price equal to the sin in some way, then you haven't truly repented, and you haven't received forgiveness. Those who do not repent do not receive a free "ticket". They do not go to the highest heaven. The place they will go to could even be worse than the Hell that is portrayed in some of the mid-millennial literature.
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      So if 80 per cent of the people go to Hell who wins?? 4,000 years of God/Jesus, millions of people now living in agony, millions already died in agony, and God's sets on some throne smoking a pipe!! I think we've all missed the boat somewheres!!

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      I believe that God is a joke.

      Think about all the people in the world, and all that have ever been. More than likely, 70-80% have religions other than Christianity. If Christianity happened to be the "right" religion, hell would have so many more people that it would kick heavens ass. Think about it, 10 angels who have sat in heaven wanking, or 100 burning demons who have known nothing but agony for an unimaginable span of time. Who do you think wins.

      I used the simplified number to simulate how many more people hell will have then heaven.

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      Originally posted by WolfBlade


      ...If Jesus does not forgive, then what was the point of warning us of the consequences of sin in the first place? It wouldn't do us any good, because we've all sinned, and will all sin again. It is the nature of our existence since the fall ...

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      The flaw of your running argument is that you are running with Paul -- Paul had used the same sequence of argument -- first, that Jesus died for Salvation because it is somehow necessary that the Death of Jesus HAD TO BE a positive event, and that it would be incomprehensible to suppose that Jesus had died for nothing, or simply pursuant to an abominable crime. Secondly, that Forgiveness of Sins is necessary because Man in inherently flawed and that it is impossible for Man not to continue sinning. Here we need to do a Reality Check on this Paulist Assertion. Do we REALLY think that it is absolutely necessary for everybody to sin. Why? Do we sin all the time? Well, no. What? If we do not sin ALL OF THE TIME, then why is it necessary to sin any of the time.

      Paul was made a Saint and was canonized as a primary authority of Christian Doctrine. But this is because Paul was the Antichrist. Jesus had prophecized that the Church would be wrong, and wrong in a Wide Way. Paul is the proof. But there have been other Church Thinkers -- Pelagius was one... declared heretical, but only because he disagreed with Paul and paul's number one flunky -- 'Saint' Augustine (one of the most arrogant and bitter and openly evil of philosophers in history... who seemed to think it necessary to prove Original Sin by indeed trying to demonstrate that he could sin at every moment of every day, particularly in his use of logic and his depiction of doctrine). But Pelagius disagreed.

      Pelagius observed that with the exertion of Will Power one could prevent Sin and instead adhere to Righteous Behavior. By empirical demonstration Pelagius proved that Sin was not necessary. Humanity did have Moral Choice.

      So you wonder why Christ came to warn of Judgment and to teach regarding a Moral Imperitive -- well, it was not to introduce the irresponsible notion that sin was permissable because it was unpreventable, but more along the lines of Pelagius, to insist that Man behave with Moral Responsiblity.

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      I wouldn't believe the bible though I do see great meaning in reverlations it is mainly untrue on msot subjects in my view, the apocalypse wont be heralded by jesus, I never read him sayign it would be, it is all a view where the origion cannot be found, the apocalypse will not be heralded by anythign but the four plages
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