Thread: jehovah's witnesses and an epiphany...

Congratz!

I must say, I know the feeling. It's great to suddenly know that you don't need a God or the threat of torment in hell to just start caring for people. That really, if all the religion is removed from society, you'll still be a good person. Better, even.

-Tsen

Is your point that religion is what keeps us civilized and in order, that we humans wish to maintain for the fear of chaos and becoming animals?

I'm sorry, theres more to religion than that.

Not necessarily to that level. Its just that the common mentality present today, especially in born-again christians, is that without reliigon people would be hopelessly savage beasts. Or, in a less extreme case, that atheists or people of other religions are inherently undeserving of the same level of trust.

Though not all religious people feel that way, certainlly many do, and it's a great thing to be free of that.

Congratulations! I've never actually had a conversation with a Jehovah’s Witness. Sometimes I get suckered into opening the door when they bring a kid along and it looks like they're selling Girl Scout cookies instead of religion, but usually when I see people dressed in their church best walking down the street, I jump away from the windows and run into an interior room. Or, and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit this, if it's too late to make it out of the living room w/o being seen, I'll crouch behind the couch or under the coffee table. Unless it's a really slow day, I just don't want to risk opening the door onto people with whom I'd waste my energy arguing religion and dogma instead of seeking insight and original thought in conversation. But your experience really shows what unexpected and enlightening events can occur when stereotypes and prejudices are disregarded in favor of open and honest conversation. I’m glad you go so much out of it. Maybe next time they come walking up my street, I'll open the door and invite them in instead of performing my tornado drill.

Or, and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit this, if it's too late to make it out of the living room w/o being seen, I'll crouch behind the couch or under the coffee table. [/b]

hehe...i've done the same on more than one occasion.

you really can't go wrong though by giving them a shot on a dull day..if they get unbearable you can arrange a pentacle on the floor, intone some indiscernable chants, and throw various kitchen spices at them until they leave

Wombing:

This question is probably going to sound silly, but what was it that Robert got so aggravated at the end of your conversation?

Y'know, surprisingly we dont' get ANY JW's here. I mean, I suppose all the Mormons makes up for the difference, but I've always found it interesting that they're all over the place everywhere else...just not here.

If they were smart they would dress differently, like the cable guy. Otherwise it is true. You see someone in a business suit and you know they want something form you. Yes, money or your soul.
I want answers! I want to know why they have changed their facts many times and can except that? They are brain washed idiots. They may wish no harm. I wish they could see outside their book ~ revised & revised ~

I think the fact that JWs get so animated and obsessive (as noted in wombing's experience) is exactly the reason why they're not on here, and if they are they never show themselves. I mean, their religion is probably as activist and extreme as suicidal Islam, just in a different way. Anyone else, especially anyone who is rational and can think and accept logically, proves that they are humans to the fullest extent. Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, Muslims, and all others, if they can truly accept new information with a logical reasoning, then they are using the part of us all that makes us human. JWs are probably the extreme to which we'd all be if we did succumb to fear to remain in religion. Fear is definitely not the best motivator, especially long term.

My adopted member, DewDust, was a JW, but she never really talked about it. Then she went inactive and hasn't posted since . Doesn't answer emails, either, and never gets on AIM. I feel all alone and sad.

Originally posted by wombing


*I love You all * *and hope that one day humanity learns to act from Love instead of fear.

*namaste

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I would'nt count on it, i had an epiphany as well. I see now that all humans HAVE to worship something...whether its money, their definition of a god, themeselves or their own ideas. And with most everyone you see head set on where there going even though all of them are going in a different direction. They are all doomed to crash into each other. I guess we've already seen that through wars and pretty much every other major and minor dispute in human history.

No matter how i look at it NO person on the face of the earth is without these qualities. The only way for humans as they are now to go on living in this world is to somehow become more primative so they wont be able to cause as much damage to themselves and others.



[quote]If they were smart they would dress differently, like the cable guy. Otherwise it is true. You see someone in a business suit and you know they want something form you. Yes, money or your soul.
I want answers! I want to know why they have changed their facts many times and can except that? They are brain washed idiots. They may wish no harm. I wish they could see outside their book ~ revised & revised ~


And as for the mormons and JWs ive been hearing so much trash about....they're not doing any harm to anyone so i wish people would just stop whining about them because they're no different than any other religious group! Although i would have to say that they have probably had to put up with more crap than even the jewish people.

Originally posted by Tsen
My adopted member, DewDust, was a JW, but she never really talked about it. *Then she went inactive and hasn't posted since . *Doesn't answer emails, either, and never gets on AIM. *I feel all alone and sad.

someone from her family probably found out that she was a memeber of this site and they twisted scriptures and convinced her not to use it anymore, Jw's scare me, all of my step dads family are jw

I have only talked to two JW's in my lfie and one tried to pester me when I made myself clear I didn't want to, Ive listened to some of their views but to be honest I don't find truth with them, I guess it jsut depends on who you are

hey.....ppls. I'm new here and i just decided to check the religion section out. (Of course I'm in here for lucid dreaming), but anyways, I checked your forum out because...I am a Jehovahs witness. I see you have been questioning our religion and I would be happy to tell you what we believe or whatever questions.

Oh and speaking about the weird robert guy, I have no clue why he went like that. But I am absolutely 100% positive that we JWs have love and not fear in our religion. In fact we have anything but FEAR. I cant even imagine someone who believes in what we do to have some unusual fear. I guess some people just have problems.

And one last thing, JWs preach in all 250 lands around the globe (thus fulfilling Matt. 24:14), so there is not a certain place where they dont go out. However there is 6 and half million JWs which is only 0.1 percent of the world, so of course there is territory that they did not complete yet, but they reached all lands (I think it was about 2 years ago that they did)

for the last five minutes i was no longer in the presence of a spiritual seeker motivate by Love, but a religious fanatic motivated by fear. [/b]

A relationship with God should never be based upon fear but instead love and respect.

I have only talked to two JW's in my lfie and one tried to pester me when I made myself clear I didn't want to, Ive listened to some of their views but to be honest I don't find truth with them, I guess it jsut depends on who you are [/b]

Totally agree