Originally Posted by carlhungis
Just wait for modern society to collapse, religion will make a strong comeback. When life is harder and people no longer need to spend every moment trying to make money to pay for... rent, gas, mortgage, clothes, booze.... they will have to turn somewhere, and I would bet it will be the church. But sadly, that is probably what it will take.
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Actually, with everything going to Hell it might actually get worse. Look at the Middle East where the predations of Western Imperialism and Zionism have ruined several societies and their economies. No Religion is reaching out to feed them, but Terrorism is paying a stipend.
In suffering, 9 out of ten men become 'Warriors', that is, bandits and thieves, for every one that become an acsetic, a monk or a hermit.
Yes, History has shown us some few very successful Religious Movements. But how rare and far between are they? Mongolia had never developed a Religion. Africa is religiously challenged.
And then there are the 'Place Saver' "Religions... they take up the space that should be occupied by a Real Religion. Such PlaceSaving Religions only serve to keep good religions out. People don't know what a good religion is. People honestly think that the purpose of a Religion is to give one an excuse to go on sinning -- Forgiveness and Salvation and going to Heaven no matter what kind of Dick one has been. And so we see that in the World today, it is Protestants that are simply wrecking and ruining everything. All their Faith does for them is to allow them to suppose they can do any stupid, vicious, crazy thing, and God will Save them from themselves in the end.
So, people may not have any positive place to turn. And looking at History, it is entirely possible that a Dark Age Interval before any incipient New Civilization could go on for hundreds of years.
If a New Religious Revelation were to take hold , along the order of another Guadalupe, Saint Patrick or Bernard, or a Vincent Ferrer, or even another Jesus Christ... then that would be very lucky for us. But History shows us there that the Devil fights back. Jesus was killed and the World got Paul, who taught the West that Sin was Fine and Dandy.
Its sad but true, historically up until now as far as our social evolution has lead us, that the Conservatives and Republicans may be correct when they insist that if you want to pick a Winner, one should side with Barbarism. And so it may be that Barbarism will inheret the Earth for a very very long time.
Originally Posted by carlhungis
Very true Leo, but having large churches everywhere is not the goal of Christianity.
I hardly think that not having wordly power means failing, especially when the Church's doctrine prohibits materialism.
At the funeral of one of the greatest kings in all of Euroupe, Louis XIV (the 'Sun King' , the bishop gave the four word eulogy "Only God is great." We did not fail, nor had we even succeeded...
...but the number of people believing did decrease.
Less and less people were believing in God as science explained more and more phenomena.
I highly doubt people will turn back to the church when society falls. The Church's hardship is that its motivation for people is simply guilt and reward. Another is having to compete with science, as science and the Church do not agree sometimes.
Christianity did not fail, as there is nothing to succeed at. Each person's goal is to reach heaven, and the failure is hell. Christianity itself did not try to achieve wordly power, so there's nothing to fail at.
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Christ came to be Messiah. King of Kings. Is that Materialism?
What of Christ predicting a Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth? Well, we had it. From the Papacy of the First Real Pope (an Imperial Pope) Gregory the Great to the defeat of the Catholic Church institutionalized at the Peace of Westphalia, it was exactly a 1000 years.
It is silly to suppose that Religion can be in any way important, if EVERYTHING substantial in life is handed over to the Secularists, the Zionists, the Atheists, the Capitalists, the Pornographers.
If Religion is reduced to an insignificant and impotent Sunday Morning Social Club, the Satan has won. I am sure that Satan is well pleased to give Religion an hour on sleepy Sunday Mornings, when he gets the rest of the World and the remaider of the calendar for all of his agenda.
And, yes, you are not the only Protestant or Catholic that pretends that it was actually a great step forward when the Church was cast down and Atheism took over the World. But really, read some history. You will find that Religion was a good thing afterall.... on every day of the week, and in every social and economic venue.
But the Devil wins and you ... idiots... applaud.
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