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      Killing the Shepherd to Save the Sheep

      Christianity’s primary doctrine, that of Salvation and Forgiveness of Sins through the Death of Jesus, I contend is not based on any actual metaphysical Truth, but is based upon a metaphor that doesn’t actually follow through.

      Paul envisioned the Murder of Jesus as some essential Saving Sacrifice, in the order of the Passover Sacrifice of the Lamb. Of course, Paul, as a Pharisee, had been active in bringing about this ‘sacrifice’ of Christ, and so he was very much interested in demonstrating that this Murder had not only been useful but laudatory. But Christ had never spoken of himself as a Sheep, but as the Good Shepherd. Well, it certainly doesn’t save the Sheep if they turn on their Shepherd and tear him to shreds, as that only afterwards exposes them to the Wolves. Yes, Jesus once spoke of a Shepherd giving his Life for his Sheep, but then we arrive at the same denouement, that the Sheep are subsequently left without a Savior. And then there is the vast moral and ethical difference between the Shepherd falling prey to the Wolves while standing guard over his Sheep, compared to the bazaar event of being killed by His own Sheep, viciously turning upon Him. And then we have to remember that the Messiah was killed not because the Court of the Pharisees had actually proposed this concept of Salvation, acknowledging the Holiness of Christ, and anticipating the effects of a Divine Sacrifice. No. They saw the Rise of a Messianic King as a threat to their influence. Remember, that since Jesus was 12 years old and correcting Pharisees in the Temple, they had resented and hated the Young Man. When it became clear that He had Messianic Pretensions, and that He had a credible following and a growing popularity, he was murdered only so that the Pharisees and Herod could keep their Jobs and protect their own self interests. It is sadly ridiculous to suppose that such a cynical and jaded Murder could be caste in the light of a Religious Sacrament, but that is what the Christian World believes.

      So we need to ask ourselves whether a Sheep can ethically lay claim to a Salvation predicated upon either their participation in or condoning of the Murder of their Shepherd? Not hardly!

      Then there is the problem, when moving from the Metaphor to the Reality. Christ was not a Sheep… not a Sacrificial Lamb. And He would have had to be. Why? Well, because at the time of Abraham and Isaac, God had determined that there would no longer be any Human Sacrifices… or Abraham determined that way and God acceded. What they say happened is that God had told Abraham to Sacrifice his son Isaac, and at the last moment changed his Divine Mind and had Abraham substitute of goat instead. But sometimes the truth can be found better if the story is told with just a slightly different twist. The way I see it is that it was probably a Test. And Abraham Passed. God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, and Abraham told God to think again, and that such a severe and drastic request would no longer be acceptable to Mankind – that Absolute Righteousness must take precedence even over what must sometimes be the Arbitrary Whims of Divinity. Well, Good. God approved of Abraham’s demonstration of a solid moral center, and from that time on, Human Sacrifices would no longer be acceptable or expected.

      So how is it that Paul, a Jew, and every Christian who pretends familiarity with the Bible, including the Old Testament, how is it that they can completely disregard that Pivotal Biblical Event that delivered Humanity from the severity and barbarity of Human Sacrifice. Do people not pay attention when they read? And in listening to Paul, do they accept everything without the least bit of evaluation? Yes, if Paul was another Christ, or even just a Saint. But when one reads the Bible carefully, one finds not one single solitary miracle attributed to Paul. Oh, yes, he shouted at a little old man in Crete until the poor old guy had a stroke. Hardly a miracle. And then once when a young man fell from a third floor window… not more than 10 meters… the young man who obviously had the wind knocked out of himself, stirred and got back up while a group of guys came running on over. Paul, one of the many bystanders, had the presence of mind to claim it as a personal miracle. Well, that hardly qualifies as being in the same league with healing the blind, healing lepers, feeding 5000 out of a single lunch bag, walking on water and raising the dead – all miracles that have been copied by many a true Saint… but not by Paul. So why is Paul allowed any credit?

      I could see it if Paul had made any sense, but his theology and history are flawed, and even his metaphors do not follow. The conclusion we can arrive at is obvious, but not very charitable, and that is that Paul’s success depends upon the stupidity of all who believe him, and that is the Entire Christian Establishment.

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      Leo, you've got a crap-load to say.
      You should write a book, if you haven't already.

      You are my hero, Leo.

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      Rather than two miracles means you are a saint, some offer a different criteria. It refers to a saint as one without an ego, no sense of self. Alternatively, saints are called "nemos" which is Latin for "no man". Using this other definition, Paul is a far cry from being a "nemo" which can be seen by him killing his own brother who threaten to expose the truth he had worked so hard to hide.

      I also agree that it's the sheep's fault for letting this happen, then following so blindly.
      humans are like sperm and heaven is their egg

      "remember I will always love you / as I ..."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Distant View Post
      Rather than two miracles means you are a saint, some offer a different criteria. It refers to a saint as one without an ego, no sense of self. Alternatively, saints are called "nemos" which is Latin for "no man". Using this other definition, Paul is a far cry from being a "nemo" which can be seen by him killing his own brother who threaten to expose the truth he had worked so hard to hide.

      I also agree that it's the sheep's fault for letting this happen, then following so blindly.
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      Yes, I do see your point, but then anyone with Autism would qualify for Sainthood. Afterall, is it not the very symptom of Autism that these people have no sense of Self, or a sense for the Selves of Others. There was a very interesting study done, where it was found that people have two different channels for Object Recognition -- one for inanimate objects which doesn't take up much nervous space or energy, and another portion of the Brain which recognizes Faces which is a powerful and complex region of Nervous Activity. It was found that people with Autism simply treated every and all things as things as though they were inanimate. Quite apart from being Saints, they treated other people merely as objects, because that was exactly how other people were perceived, as impersonal inanimate objects. That is not what we want for ourselves, is it?

      So, I go along with the Catholic Church and its criteria that Saints have a number of Verified Miracless to their credit. Of course I oppose the Catholic Criteria that Saints need to be entirely doctrinaire. Isn't that kind of putting the Cart before the Horse. We should Saints as Proof of having Attained the Spiritual Goal, and so we should listen to their Opinions and Advice as though it is on the level of being Divine Revelation. But for bespeckled Vatican Clerks to discount Miracle Workers because they do not agree with Paul, who never performed a miracle in his life, well, that is ridiculous. And it is Sad.... there have been any number of Candidates for Sainthood, with skadds of Miracles, who have been rejected for consideration because their Declarations and Revelations ran counter to all the bullshit that Paul had spouted during his murderous and money-making career.

      But I am hopeful... Angels had come to me during one of my Lucid Visions and assured me that the Church of Paul had only just one last historic act to perform, and then it would be over with. A World, and a Religion, without Paul, will be a far far better place and thing.

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