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      The Three States

      Although we find ourselves in a body now, is that all we can identify with, or are we more than we might first know? Is the physical world all there is, or do other universes (or categories of universe) exist? Can death mean different things depending on your point of reference?

      These are questions that our western Agnostic Reflex tends to deem unanswerable, but there are those mystic theosophers who have suggested otherwise. In fact, some have even documented their direct experience of another world! It is the world of the Imaginal (not to be confused with imaginary) - the mundus imaginalis - Na-koja-abad, the "land of no-where".

      Our mystics have suggested three categories of universe:
      the physical sensory world of phenomena
      the suprasensory world the Soul or Angel-Souls (mundus imaginalis)
      the world of pure archangelic Intelligences

      To these three worlds correspond three organs of knowledge:
      the senses
      the imagination
      the intellect

      And also anthropology:
      body
      soul
      spirit

      To these mystics, man is not limited by the physical world, but extends from this world to the "resurrections" in the other worlds. Man exists vertically as all three simultaneously, but experiences them horizontally as though they were independent. Thinking about this is what has led me to the symbolic representation of these States of Being by the states that water passes through.

      Water can exist in three forms: solid, liquid, and gas - symbolizing the physical, imaginal, and intellectual. The solid state is marked by consistancy and coldness; the gaseous state by rapid change and heat; and the liquid state is the intermediary, marked by its ability to change accordingly (as the imagination plays an intermediary role between the senses and the intellect). Do we not experience some form of the liquid state each night when we dream? (Although it is still tied to the body, so we do not experience the imagination to its fullest extent.)

      Whichever form it takes is still water; the transformation of one state to the next, although changing the conditions and possibilities for the form of water, cannot change its essence. The outer forms are continually changing - your essence remains the same. Death to one form is birth (or resurrection) to another.

      When an ice cube melts, where does it go? We know it hasn't ceased to exist, but only changed form. Its essence remains the same.

      When our body dies, where do we go? We haven't ceased to exist, but only changed form. Our essence remains the same.

      The detachment/disinterest from the body-ego (or limitations thereof) leads to the awareness of other possibilities of Being - supraindividual states. It can lead the drop of water back to the ocean (or water-essence). The light which shines from within begins to melt away any illusion of independent solidity.
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      And what of plasma? When the oxygen and hydrogen get violently ripped apart, their electrons sheared off and the whole thing vibrating rapidly in a nasty mess?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tsen View Post
      And what of plasma? When the oxygen and hydrogen get violently ripped apart, their electrons sheared off and the whole thing vibrating rapidly in a nasty mess?
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      Dear All,

      I have documented the stages of spiritual progress on this page. Nothing defintive just my personal experiences.

      http://www.dreamdatum.com/articles-path.html

      regards

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      I wrote the following some months back. Finding this topic has reminded me of these notes. You may find them interesting...

      48-The Rise of Distinctive Consciousness

      In the pinnacle of reality there is but only a single state of
      consciousness. This is the pure non-dualistic state of being where
      only the "I" of the whole of God exists. In this state there are no
      other individual consciousnesses that exist, only that which we
      refer to as God. There is only the totality of the whole without any
      notion of division or separation to give rise to the idea of a you or
      a me. In such oneness there can be no you or me that can rise to
      exist, there is only one.
      It is by the conscious intention of God that all distinctions in the
      form of individual consciousnesses have arisen from the whole. It
      is by and for the purity of Love that such distinctions are eternally
      maintained. Without such intention, Love, and the very intention of
      that Love, there would be no distinction. We as individuals would
      not exist in any way, shape, or form. By Love and by Grace we are
      and continue to be. Such is the foundation of our very existance.
      It is the rise of such distinction within the one consciousness of
      God that has also given birth to all of existence and all perceived
      distinctions therein. It is through that one single intention of
      distinction that all things of perception have arisen, that even
      creation itself has arisen. Such makes possible the very recognition
      of distinctions. Without this rise of the realms of existance and the
      perception of distiction arising within those realms, perception of
      us as individuals would not be possible.
      The rise of a distinctive consciousness from the whole is like the
      depths of the ocean being extended up towards the surface, rising
      up through the trough of the wave, into the peak, and out to the
      very crest of that wave. Each wave in its entirety, from the trough
      to the crest, is as a distinct individual consciousness. To us,
      trapped in our embodied form, each part of the wave is as a
      forgotten tier of that consciousness waiting to be realized.


      49-The Crest: Physical Realization

      When we enter into our body and begin life in form we begin
      attaining a certain self awareness. Through the experiences
      brought about within childhood we become physically, mentally,
      emotionally, and consciously self aware. We realize that we exist
      as an individual.
      We process our perceived world from a standpoint of learning,
      memory, facts, and figures. We rationalize what is around us
      according to our learned understanding. We learn to see ourselves
      as individually conscious physical entities, separate and distinct
      from each other. Learning of the idea of God, we also take such as
      another separate individual consciousness also apart from our own.
      Our view of the world is based in the mind and from concepts of
      the mind.
      It is within this tier of consciousness that we see ourselves
      predominately as our body, a body that has a consciousness. In this
      state we see consciousness simply as a condition of the body being
      awake, while we see dreaming as being a subconscious condition
      of the body being asleep. We experience the senses as individual
      functions of our body. Hearing, seeing, touching, tasting, smelling,
      all coincide with different parts of the body. Through and by these
      senses we physically realize the the objects and phenomenon in
      the world around us.
      We perceive all that we are aware of in a dualistic vision.
      Everything is seen as distinct and separate, all things and all
      phenomenon. Everything in existence is seen as like individual
      marbles rolling around, individually banging around against each
      other. Each contact is seen as an individual event based in and on
      the concept of cause and effect. We also perceive these events
      within the context of time as being distinctly in the past, present,
      or future. We see everything as having a beginning, a duration,
      and and ending. We see ourselves as existing within this set of
      limitations which is the nature of physical realization.

      50-The Peak: Spiritual Realization

      The heart of all divine teaching is to drive one to look for the
      reality and truth of God within oneself. We are driven to turn away
      from the material realm of existence and all its trappings to find
      freedom in the spiritual being that we are within. It is in this tier of
      consciousness that we see we are not our bodies, but that we are
      an energy essence caged within those bodies and locked into
      material existence.
      Spiritual realization sees us shifting our interaction with and in the
      world from being led by learned concepts of the mind to hearing
      the inner voice, the intuition that is present within all of us. We
      learn to have faith in and equally follow this inner knowing, this
      inner feeling, this spiritual presence, rather than living strictly by
      the learned facts, figures, and concepts of material existence.
      In this consciousness we see ourselves not only as distinct
      individuals, but we also see ourselves as being in a state of
      connection with all others, all things, and all phenomenon rather
      than in separation. We see such spiritual union, or union of energy,
      not only with all around us but also see such union in and with
      God as well. We see that the very same ocean of energy, that is
      God, flows through everything. We perceive that we are actually
      consciousness that has a body, and that this consciousness is the
      same whether the body is awake or asleep. It is only in our
      embodied condition, our physical consciousness, that we see solid
      distinction from one perceived thing to the next.
      In this state we perceive through a single awareness rather than
      embodied senses. Pulling back our senses to the oneness of
      awareness, we perceive that our bodies, material existence, and
      time, are something that we are in, but are not of. We see all of
      existence as like being pieces of wood floating on the ocean. The
      currents in the ocean carry all the pieces to the events waiting for
      them. We perceive a continuous flowing connection between all
      that exists and all that occurs. Herein we taste true freedom.



      51-The Trough: God Realization

      God realized consciousness is as the trough or base of a wave. It is
      precisely where the wave itself meets the depths of the ocean and
      the water in both are perceived intertwined as though still one. It is
      the point where distinction subtly begins. Such a state is where the
      consciousness of the whole and the consciousness of the one are in
      union to where distinction from one to the other is only a shadow
      barely perceived.
      In this state of being , in this state of consciousness, one sees as
      God sees. One looks out on all that is and though seeing the
      distinctions therein, has no thoughts of "I" or "me". One does not
      see themselves in the view. All thought, all concern, all intention is
      solely directed outward towards what is seen or perceived in ones
      view. It is as though the individual distinction one has known since
      birth as the "me" no longer exists to any extent as a separate form
      or spiritual self conscious entity. One actually exists in this
      consciousness purely as thought, concern, and intention, all being
      directed outward towards all that is perceived in ones view. The
      only real thing that remains perceived of the distinct individual
      "me" as it has been, is the distinct embodied view itself. It is as if
      you have become thought itself, concern itself, and intention itself
      and the body you had has become like blinders on a horse,
      narrowing the field of vision down from infinity to just what is in
      front of it.
      In the state of God realized consciousness the individual has let
      go of their ties to, or relaxed their grip on their individual self
      existence so much so that it is as if the whole of God reaches out
      and intertwines with this individuals state of being so that God and
      individual perception are seemingly one in the same. Such is as a
      wave being truly an extension of the waters of the deep.

      52-Seeing the Unbroken Wave

      Experienceing life soley from the physical realization of
      consciousness and the physical experience of existance we never
      really percieve anything but the crest. As such we are not aware of
      the whole of the wave, the whole of our conscious being. We go
      through the course of material existance ignorant of the other
      hidden aspects of our consciousness.
      If and when we do begin to gain an awareness of the existance of
      a spiritually realized state through teachings and mental concepts
      we see such from a standpoint of looking out at it. We view it as a
      separate state of being from our realized physical consciousness
      and physical existance. The same holds true for if and when we
      gain an awareness of the God realized state . From the perspective
      of embodiment in material form both appear to be completely
      seperate other states of being rather than simply being aspects of
      one whole consciousness. We see each aspect as seperate single
      parts of the wave, parts that one must either be in or out of
      individually one at a time. Even when we taste realization of each
      aspect and know what such is definitavely we still see each as a
      seperate thing. We see parts of the wave but we still dont see such
      as a whole unbroken wave. We dont yet see our consciousness as
      being a singular state made up of the three percieved aspects.

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      What about Bose-Einstein condensate?
      "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Einstein

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